[Grey Wolf]

Bit of an odd poem: http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/K/KiplingRudyard/verse/p3/stranger.html

[Taristin]

Mm... I can see why they'd sing it...

[Unknown Target]

I was thinking that they were from, like...I don't know, somewhere white and nazi - not California! (home of the hispanic and democratic)...weird.

[Flipside]

Well, you have to be on the sanity event horizon to start producing music like this, so I guess California isn't totally out of the question

[Rictor]

That's gold.

[kode]

Elwood: Illinois Nazis.
Jake: I hate Illinois Nazis.

...what?

[aldo_14]

A timely reminder that scum comes in white, female and blonde shapes, too.

[Styxx]

As I posted on SB:

More power to them. I wish we had a white supremacist group here in Brazil, just to stir **** up. I'm dead tired of being drowned in black music and black supremacist groups - "only blacks", "100% black", whatever. And the damned t-shirts and magazines. If I went on the streets with a t-shirt with "only whites" written in it, or published a magazine called "only for whites", I'd be facing charges in a heartbeat. Hypocrite bastards.

[aldo_14]

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[aldo_14]

Opinion?

[Styxx]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Opinion?

Irrelevant. The numbers presented there cannot reflect the status of racial prejudice, only general living conditions profiled by race. It's not an issue of racial prejudice, it's an issue of opportunity. If you take a sample of whites, blacks, or any other color who started with similar living conditions, you'll see similar numbers in the results.

The fact is, any form of open prejudice against black people is immediately punished, any form of open preference for white people is immediately punished, while the opposite - on both counts - never happens. In fact, preference for black people, when hiring, admitting to schools, etc. is encouraged. This thread is about a "white supremacist" musical group. People are outraged at it. Yet there are scores and scores of black supremacist groups, and they're considered perfectly normal, fair, and non-discriminative. Why is that?

As it's being mentioned on the other thread, "positive" discrimination is still discrimination. And to hell with people's fragile sensibilities.

[aldo_14]

Probably because black supremacist groups don't have the legacy of apartheid, slavery, nazi-ism, etc that white/settler nations do.  It's a far different thing to prefer a societal group that is in an existing disadvantaged position than it is to prefer the dominant group; so people give leeway to minority (in terms of power/status/voice/etc) groups because they're not in a position where they can act upon that.

In a country which is considered to have an existing racial gap, I can understand exactly why you'd give a bias towards readdressing the balance.  I've already said I'm not a fan of that strategy - it tends to be a sticking plaster over existing social problems - but I understand the reasons for it.

Likewise I'm not condoning any form of 'supremacy', white or otherwise;  I've never believed that serves any purpose.  I'm just saying that's why it'd be more supported, and trying to add a bit of context to the social situation which causes this; if you took the same 2 muppets as above, made them black, I'd still be as opposed to that sort of (hate) message.  Likewise if you moved them anywhere.

(of course, that might be slightly inaccurate; given that those bints are claiming to be for my ethnic group - roughly speaking - the thought of them being regarded by anyone as a representative does add an extra little bit of bile to the taste).

[Styxx]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Probably because black supremacist groups don't have the legacy of apartheid, slavery, nazi-ism, etc that white/settler nations do.  It's a far different thing to prefer a societal group that is in an existing disadvantaged position than it is to prefer the dominant group; so people give leeway to minority (in terms of power/status/voice/etc) groups because they're not in a position where they can act upon that.

Exactly. The problem is, I am not and never was a Nazi and I never owned a slave. Giving leeway to supremacist groups just because they're from a minority is prejudice, and I'd like to have one of such groups from the "majority" here in Brazil just to highlight the hypocrisy of it all.

Edit: Besides, blacks enslaved and killed other groups as much as whites or any other group through history, they're just the most recent victims. Hardly worthy of any special recognition, in my opinion.

Originally posted by aldo_14
In a country which is considered to have an existing racial gap, I can understand exactly why you'd give a bias towards readdressing the balance.  I've already said I'm not a fan of that strategy - it tends to be a sticking plaster over existing social problems - but I understand the reasons for it.

Likewise I'm not condoning any form of 'supremacy', white or otherwise;  I've never believed that serves any purpose.  I'm just saying that's why it'd be more supported, and trying to add a bit of context to the social situation which causes this; if you took the same 2 muppets as above, made them black, I'd still be as opposed to that sort of (hate) message.  Likewise if you moved them anywhere.

(of course, that might be slightly inaccurate; given that those bints are claiming to be for my ethnic group - roughly speaking - the thought of them being regarded by anyone as a representative does add an extra little bit of bile to the taste).

Roughly the same mindset here. The problem is, this societal problems that cause the greater poverty and lesser opportunities for blacks and other minorities are the same that cause the blind eye to their own supremacist and "positive discrimination" ideas. But they're hard to fix due to political reasons, at least here in Brazil. Actually fixing it would be fairly easy, but it would require a vast amount of political will to do it. Same thing I mentioned on the Gun Ban thread.

[Grey Wolf]

I think there was a marked uproar about the Black Panthers, but that was a while back.

[Taristin]

While I do agree with Styxx..... I lived in a black area and got nothing but hell growing up because of I was white... I still don't think that they're right. Sure they can say whatever they want, they're americans and have the right to believe whatever they want, but I really hope that their songs never do make it into the mainstream culture. (Although, I'm sure that this news coverage will only help that to happen, rather than prevent it)


Too bad mumsy and dadsy didn't use any of these while having their "fun":

[Solatar]

Styxx, I'm not against a "yay white people" type group at all. In fact, my first reaction to this band was about the same as yours. "so the white people getting back for all this stuff about black people being bad...so what?". The only thing that turns me off to them is the fact that they're Nazi supporters. I don't mind a little white pride (not KKK style obviously...the fact that I even have to state something like that is a detriment to society), but I don't think minorities need to die.

[Styxx]

Er, let me make it clear, I don't support them or their ideas. I just feel like it's good to have such a group, and have it stir up all kinds of arguments regarding prejudice, because it highlights the sheer hypocrisy of it: after all, similar groups for black people existed for ages (at least here in Brazil) without hitting the news or having anyone complaining about it.

[Solatar]

In that case I agree with you completely.

[Taristin]

[Rictor]

I must say, it's true about there being different standards for whites/blacks/whatever. Imagine an organization called the National Association for the Advancement of White People for a TV station called White Network Television. You'de have 95% of people screaming bloody murder. In my mind, and I'm quite aware that this is most likely very atypical, rascism is a non-issue, bordering on non-existance, because I've never in all my years experienced real out and out rascism, much less seen it institutionalized. Like, aren't there more pressing issues than ensuring that Group X expresses no opinions on Group Y.

I've always had a slightly wierd view of Neo-Nazis. If they dropped their support of Hitler and the more extremist xeno-phobic rhetoric, they would be nothing but a nationalist movement (or something roughly like it), the kind that exists almost anywhere.