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Offline Grey Wolf

I Hate the Power Rangers...so, so much
You do indeed beat me, as I never bought a VHS of it. I did get one of those elementary-level novelizations though.
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I Hate the Power Rangers...so, so much
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A childhood memory of mine as well... :nervous:
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Offline Nuclear1

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*snip* the original Pink ranger went on to do some porn. :D


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Offline Turnsky

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they're still running?.. damn
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Offline Grey Wolf

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Gimme.
She didn't.
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Offline Carl

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after the entire original cast has been gone for ten years, don't you think it's time to scrap things?


well, the japanese version has been going on for three times as long. http://www.rovang.org/sentai/
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Offline Nuke

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i dont get the thing with giant robots. they are big, slow, ineffietient, easy to knock over, its not something i would ever consider being a usefull weapons system. i think the japaneese soaked up too much radiation from fat man and little boy. its making their minds kinda wierd.
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Offline Carl

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the giant robots in sentai are very agile compared to real robots just you wait another few years. robots will get better and better at movement.
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Offline Mefustae

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Originally posted by Nuke
i think the japaneese soaked up too much radiation from fat man and little boy. its making their minds kinda wierd.
... Words cannot describe... how utterly, utterly politically incorrect that statement is. It boggles the mind!

 

Offline kode

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Originally posted by Mefustae
... Words cannot describe... how utterly, utterly politically incorrect that statement is. It boggles the mind!


...like how the japanese don't mention why they got bombed at the hiroshima museum?
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Offline Singh

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Originally posted by Nuke
i dont get the thing with giant robots. they are big, slow, ineffietient, easy to knock over, its not something i would ever consider being a usefull weapons system. i think the japaneese soaked up too much radiation from fat man and little boy. its making their minds kinda wierd.


Actually, depends on what type of robot too....Japanese mecha seems to be very ineffecient designs, meant primarily to emulate the human form as opposed to exploiting it to it's maximum potential. The western mech designs incorporate these a bit better, but even then its not fully realized.

Giant robots in principle is a half-way decent idea. Using the natural system of movement present in most humans allows for significant flexibility, as well as movement on a wider range of terrain faster than tanks or smaller vehicles could. While tanks are all terrain, they are pretty much one chain-link break away from being disabled. Wheels work, but get punctured quite easily. Using legs (more than two, definately) offers availability over a wide range of terrain, as well as a decent amount of redundancy (if you are using more than two) and toughness. A higher vantage point allows for more coverage of the battlefield as well, something that probably wouldn't be available to a smaller tank. If your making something that big too, it'd have to have a heck of a lot of weapons as well...

In the end however, they are quite expensive, and it comes down to the question: Quality vs Quantity...
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Offline Nuke

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Originally posted by Mefustae
... Words cannot describe... how utterly, utterly politically incorrect that statement is. It boggles the mind!


politically correct is an oxymoron. :D
seriously, how the **** else is there to explain jpop and sezure-causing anime, its gotta be the damn radiation. :D
honestly i like the way the japaneese were before they lost the war.


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Actually, depends on what type of robot too....Japanese mecha seems to be very ineffecient designs, meant primarily to emulate the human form as opposed to exploiting it to it's maximum potential. The western mech designs incorporate these a bit better, but even then its not fully realized.

Giant robots in principle is a half-way decent idea. Using the natural system of movement present in most humans allows for significant flexibility, as well as movement on a wider range of terrain faster than tanks or smaller vehicles could. While tanks are all terrain, they are pretty much one chain-link break away from being disabled. Wheels work, but get punctured quite easily. Using legs (more than two, definately) offers availability over a wide range of terrain, as well as a decent amount of redundancy (if you are using more than two) and toughness. A higher vantage point allows for more coverage of the battlefield as well, something that probably wouldn't be available to a smaller tank. If your making something that big too, it'd have to have a heck of a lot of weapons as well...

In the end however, they are quite expensive, and it comes down to the question: Quality vs Quantity...


as it stands im rather impressed at the japaneese progress in humanoid robots. however i am doubtfull you would ever see them used in the same manor as depicted in japaneese anime. contrary to what games tell you its pretty much a one shot one kill world theese days. most armored weapons systems, tanks and such, might be able to take a hit and keep its crew alive, but it almost always means the loss of the vehicle. i doubt anyone would use a multi-billion dollar battlemech thats dead the second it gets hit when you can bring in a dozen m1a1 abrams that can get the job done better.
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Offline delta_7890

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Oo;  You guys are reading into the giant robots too much.  Honestly, it's all just for fun and excitement.  There's no more logic and feasibility to them than Gandalf and hobbits.  It's fantasy, pure fantasy.  Just in a hi-tech kind of way.
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Offline Grey Wolf

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...like how the japanese don't mention why they got bombed at the hiroshima museum?
Or how they state they were forced into WW2 by the imperialist Americans in the above museum?
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Offline NGTM-1R

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There is one thing that a giant robot has undeniably, and a tank doesn't. Presence. Intimidation factor. Whatever you want to call it. A tank, sure, that's scary, but it's not maleviolent the way a humaniform shape can be.
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Offline aldo_14

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You're not thinking of the right tanks, then.

 

Offline Flaser

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You're not thinking of the right tanks, then.


Seconded.
Read some Sven Hassel.

On mechs, tanks and battle:
No matter what you do in ground battle the shorter, closer to ground vessels have the advantage since they have a smaller target profile.
Ton-for-ton a tank will be able to wield heavier weaponry as it will put less pressure on the terrain than a mech.
Ton-for-ton a tank will have a more effective armor.

I don't find the whole more legs or legs less valnurable ideology solid - after all, all your legs are one joint away from falling you.
Though you're probably right on the many legs issue - the best viable concept for a battlemechs is the spifer mechs Shirov came up with:
They are relativly small and low profile, and mount their weaponry in a similar fashion how tanks do (a big ass turret). The only reason they have legs is to make turning and traversing difficult terrain faster - and they have threads/wheel built into the base of the legs.

As for overseeing the battlefield: There's not much point to doing so. Today with informatically integrated armies and a myriad of recon measures availible you can't think of combatants as individual units anymore.
Creating a bigger target profile or sacrificing armor for said observation capacity is more of a viability than any gain.

I reccomend the excelent anime Gasaraki. It showed a quite realistic - though in ernest pretty glorified - concept of what mechs could be.
They used a separate command unit with its recon drones to give the information edge.
Said VR + Information technology was also the main thing that made the mechs head and shoulders better than tanks.
The sad thing is though that given the same information support and technologically improoved averness (cameras, VR reconstructed battlefield that grants unobstructed visuals of the battlefield) tanks would also perform in a similarly miraculous and savage manner as how 'mechs' are usually portreyed in anime. Even better than mechs as they are purer war machines.

Except for very difficult and uneven terrain or conditions completly nullfying infantry mechs will be useless or far less economic than either tanks or infantry. So places where I would use a mech:
-Swamps, very steep rolling hills, anti-tanks emplacement ridden mazes (Still open terrain! Infantry would rape you in close-quarters.)
-NBC warfare, where only vehicles can sustain your soldiers. (Power armor negates this aspect.)
There still is a niche though: clearing the road for the tanks when the terrain was specificly 'prepared' to stop them.

BTW even tanks are outdated, since helicopters have prooven to be their real nightmare along with CAS aircraft (like the A-10 or the Su-29).
Actually, except for all out NBC warfare or the employment of massed artilery, infantry is once again king of the battlefield, as it was prooven in Vietnam, then Afganistan and finally as it prooves in Iraq.
That is from the sheer 'combat' potential (after all Iraq couldn't protect its industrial assets, though in sheer guerilla warfare its pacifation prooves to be very difficult).
With modern miniaturised weaponry (ergo RPGs) infantry will be more economic and effective than any other 'weapon platform' - though the reason why modern nations refrain from employing it is kinda obvious...you need men, lots of men....and good portion of them will die whatever you do.

IMHO the only futuristic weapon technology that has a real and drastic effect on warfare would be power armor - it would once again create an overwhelming force similar to what knights and pikemen used to be in the Medieval ages.
They would gain a vast combat endurance (the real lacking of infantry) and would effectivly demand the same resources from the adversary (armor piercing high caliber weapons) as tanks do. They could also mount said weapons in greater numbers becoming superior tank killers while retaining the flexibility of infantry.
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Offline Nuke

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Originally posted by ngtm1r
There is one thing that a giant robot has undeniably, and a tank doesn't. Presence. Intimidation factor. Whatever you want to call it. A tank, sure, that's scary, but it's not maleviolent the way a humaniform shape can be.


yea but thats not really a factor, any gun pointed at you is intimidating.  if its on something that is a better target for an rpg weapon, that only makes it intimidating, and easy to kill. the suit of armor metaphore might be poetic, but poetry doesnt win wars.
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Offline Carl

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The Megazord does have a tank mode, you know.
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Offline TrashMan

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A battle mech with good agility would be a real killer if used (and made correctly). Especially in city fights (anyone remeber the scenes from Robotech?)

If a mech ever reached the manuverability of a human then it would be the perfect battle system, as it could do anyting a human could - hide behind buildings (and fire around the corner), crawl, jump, run.. No to mention that a giant sniper-rifle like weapon would blast any tank and weigh less than a tank turret...and it's more flexible, as it could switch weapons system just like a human would switch rifles..

Alltough thngs like that are for future ...
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