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He's gay? That's so.... gay. :rolleyes: :p ;)

It doesn't give much of an indication as to when he became gay, tho, aside from his being with a "Brad" for the past 18 years...


Point of order: How does someone "become" gay?
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They realise that they're not attracted by the opposite sex, but by members of the same sex? While it's never happened to me.. I doubt it's a process that happens over night.

 

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For all of yall who know who Sherryl Swoopes is she just came out of the closet the other day, big deal on ESPN
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They realise that they're not attracted by the opposite sex, but by members of the same sex? While it's never happened to me.. I doubt it's a process that happens over night.


From what I've heard that's usually more of a realisation that you've been gay all along though.
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Which is why I was asking what Sandwich meant. It's a tad ambiguous.
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From what I've heard that's usually more of a realisation that you've been gay all along though.


Aye.  I don't think I've ever heard it described (by any homosexual) as a 'learned' behaviour, just one that takes time for a person to accept - usually because of societal biases and prejudice.

 

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You don't "become" gay. You either are or you aren't. It's the accepting and realization that is the transformation.

And I'm tired of hearing people call it a 'Lifestyle choice'. Stop making it sound like a decision to be deviant... :doubt:
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I think when I spoke about becoming gay, I was saying it with realisation in mind.

At least I like to think I was. I can't say I've much experience in it.

Either way, it doesn't make Takei any worse a man for it. It's rather unfortunate for him that because he's famous, his act of realisation will have more of a "big thing" made about it than your average guy who isn't famous.

 

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i think the act of calling it "a lifestyle choice" is in and of itself inherently homophobia


homophobia is the new racism
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Kind of spoils all the Sulu/Chekov slash. Slash is only fun if its otherwise straight people going gay for each other.
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homophobia is the new racism


Does that mean gay is the new black?

(Sorry, too easy :D)
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Kind of spoils all the Sulu/Chekov slash. Slash is only fun if its otherwise straight people going gay for each other.


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You don't "become" gay. You either are or you aren't. It's the accepting and realization that is the transformation.


Ok, so what are your thoughts on this guy's story? Not to bring religion into this topic, but I'd be interested in hearing people's thoughts on this.
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Does that mean gay is the new black?

(Sorry, too easy :D)
If so, does that mean the next generation of teenagers are all going to start acting gay? :p

 

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i think the act of calling it "a lifestyle choice" is in and of itself inherently homophobia


homophobia is the new racism

You would, wouldn't you? :rolleyes: I wasn't referring to the state of being a homosexual; I was referring to actually performing actions, such as having sex with a member of your own gender or doing the whole "drag-queen" thing.  Those are specific actions that a person chooses to do.  There's an inherent difference between performing an action and having a certain mental state, although I'm sure you'll disagree with this point and attempt to explain it away by accusing me of rampant homophobia.  While I may personally not approve of the actions I listed above, I have never hated someone because of their homosexual orientation.
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the debate as to weather or not being gay is a choice or just something youre born with seems to be dependant on the idea that humans actually have a choice in the first place. am i the only one who thinks that free will is a myth? i should use this as an opritunity to pimp my nhilistic views. part of nihilisim is the denouncment of free will and the ability to choose. it is my opinion that choices pretty much make themselves. chain reactions in the brain will execute according to the laws of physics and are not governed my any other force. having elimenated free will from the equasion i have come to the conclusion that the later part of the debate is more accurate. i conclude that if you spend more time looking at a mans jock than you do staring at chicks' breasts. then youre probibly gay (unless your a chick then the oppisite works, or something). of course me being a nihilist also means i dont really give a **** :D
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You would, wouldn't you? :rolleyes: I wasn't referring to the state of being a homosexual; I was referring to actually performing actions, such as having sex with a member of your own gender or doing the whole "drag-queen" thing.  Those are specific actions that a person chooses to do.  There's an inherent difference between performing an action and having a certain mental state, although I'm sure you'll disagree with this point and attempt to explain it away by accusing me of rampant homophobia.  While I may personally not approve of the actions I listed above, I have never hated someone because of their homosexual orientation.


First off, being homosexual, and being a "drag-queen," as you so eloquently put it, are two seperate things. Men who dress as women (and vice versa) are often transexuals, people who believe that they are the opposite sex but born in the improper body, and that is a different case all together. Please don't try to gather all of your information on homosexuals from 'Will & Grace.'

Second off, let's do a little role reversal, shall we? Say that you are still you, but this society favours homosexuality. Would you deny a major peice of who you are, a largely defining chunk of it, just to fit into society? Tell me that, if the situation were in reverse, you would 'control your impulses' and stick with what it is society thinks is best for you.
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George Takei's own nature and personality does not in any way change the way he potrayed the Hikaru Sulu character.

The respect in this case is for the character's nature, and way he played it, which was nothing short of excellence.

His personal lifestyle and way of living however, is his own choice. To connect that with a fictional character (as written, and in essence 'controlled' by someone else) is not very revelant at all, and is a pathetic excuse to hate what was once a very good memory and TV show.
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