[Bobboau]

are you still around?
anyway

I, and I would asume others are going to, need a POF editor for new data types, I was wondering if you would be so kind as to ether,
make some changes for people on an individual basis,
make a plugin SDK that would alow us to make new data types,
or just open source the whole thing

forever in debt to you,
the modest Bobboau

[Fineus]

The last I saw of Kazan was one post on the art forum... before that was explaining he had exams at this time of year and so on... he's still on ICQ though - you could try and reach him that way.

And yes, making it open source/helping out with that would save a hell of a lot of time...

[Kazan]

there is a plugin SDK

[Bobboau]

I thought all that was capable of was new convertion model formats, is it enough for me to be able to write new data types, including new interface and stuff

[Kazan]

not interface, but you can export to new file types

[Bobboau]

well the thing is I need some way of editing new data chuncks, if there is no way to get interface for this, I don't think it'll be able to do what I need

[Kazan]

when someone presents me with a OFFICIAL MAIN OPENSOURCE VERSION OF FS2 [caps for emphasis] then i'll fork POF CS and have a version for the origional, and a version for the new engine

i will support the origional POF and ONE THIRD PARTY POF VERSION- the one that's part of the OFFICIAL NEW ENGINE

all programming efforts should be on one version anyway - multiple versions ==== baadd

[Bobboau]

well that's ok, but untill then I have no way of testing my code, right now I have to take the closest chunck type and rename it with a hex editor, and anything that won't fit into that I just have to give default values, now I understand that you don't want to / can't suport all twenty thousand veriations of the code, wich is why I would like some sort of SDK capable of generating a custome data type, doesn't have to be prety or that user frendly, something that generates a popup window or something would be sufushent,
but if you arn't going to do it, I guess I should just think of some other way of doing it

[Kazan]

i should be able to think up a way to write more complete plugins

[Fineus]

As an aside - what's becomming of Freespace Forever? It's been dead on that forum for a while now - is the forum still required?

[Kazan]

i said it was dead, having the origional source made it pointless

[Bobboau]

some of the topics might posably be usefull, like wishlist type things, and ideas how to implement them

[Fineus]

I agree, I think although the forum should be closed - a salvage operation is in order. If anyone has any ideas on how to sort through the topics for useful content then please tell me - without suggestions it's a case of moving each one thats useful - lengthy job

[penguin]

Originally posted by Kazan
when someone presents me with a OFFICIAL MAIN OPENSOURCE VERSION OF FS2 [caps for emphasis] then i'll fork POF CS and have a version for the origional, and a version for the new engine

We're working on it... Inquisitor and others (myself included) decided on the fs2_open project (at warpcode) as a starting point.  I am trying to get it back in playable format for Win32, after I hacked it to pieces getting it to work for Linux

all programming efforts should be on one version anyway - multiple versions ==== baadd

Agree 100% I'll post in this forum when we've got a stable starting point.

Inquisitor is building up the "feature request list" as well.  Dunno if he's getting stuff from the FSF forum as well, or just from this one. It's a herculean task, almost literally -- cleaning out the stables, etc.

[Inquisitor]

Which is a bit of a pain, but it's getting there

BTW, you could HELP Kazan, instead of barking from the sidelines

I'm of a mixed opinion on the FSF thing. Maybe I'll find some FS enthusiasts in #garagegames and see if they want to take the TQ build I have to the next level while we concentrate on the "official" source

[Kazan]

i could help, but that code makes me ill
no offense to dave or anything, it's just that much spagetti code makes me ill

[daveb]

*chuckle*

::shakes head::

Well at least in this post 9/11 age, there are some constants I can cling to.

[Kazan]

lol dave.  In reality i'll eventually start picking at that code

that much spagetti code like that confuses the hell out of me, i need a flow chart for it to keep track of it.  I can only imagine how big of a ***** it had to be for you to keep track of it while you were writing it.

Part of the reason I like OOP, you read the headers and you can follow all you really need to know unless you have to change the function - in which you don't have to dig that much deeper.

[Bobboau]

hey dave you guy's wouldn't by chanse have any flow charts or anything like that laying around would you?
I've been meaning to ask this for a while but I keep forgeting

[Nico]

Originally posted by Bobboau
hey dave you guy's wouldn't by chanse have any flow charts or anything like that laying around would you?
I've been meaning to ask this for a while but I keep forgeting

mhh, seems dave posts only to reply to kazan, in fact, they like each other but won't confess it

Mwarf, really.