[asyikarea51]

Now that Alliance 1 is out, I've been thinking about AS weapons (things like AAAf and Flak). So Earth does have a BProto, and I won't be surprised if in Alliance 2, they eventually put scaled-down versions for use against fighters.

But what about Flak? It might just be me, but I'll find it odd if both the GTVA and the soon-to-be EA developed flak weapons despite being cut off from each other for so long, like as if they were psychics and knew what the other side was up to. I don't remember the Luci fleet having flak guns so they couldn't have reverse-engineered those (please correct me if I'm wrong here). Since Sol already uses Gatling Lasers of some sort, would those be used as Flak alternatives, or is there something else?

[Woomeister]

EA don't get aaaf beams until INF SCP chapter 1

INF:A2 beams are for destroyer class vessels only. Cruiser and Corvettes use the railguns

EA develop flak after INF:A so you'll see those in INF:A2

[Snail]

Flak guns? Same as GTVA flak guns?

Or are you talking about the cluster flak. That stuff's cool.

[Woomeister]

They use both.

[asyikarea51]

Hmm... well IMO, if Sol is going to have Flak weapons, I think it has to work differently compared to the GTVA Flak guns. Different scientists have different ways of tackling a problem... stuff like that.

Sure, coincidences do happen, but I find it rather hard to believe that both sides' Flak guns end up being exactly the same... Perhaps make Sol use the cluster flak (whatever that is) first, then intro the 'regular' Flak guns only in INF SCP (e.g. they saw the GTVA using this style of Flak, and it's deadly in its own way, so they modded their own Flak guns to try and copy the GTVA version)? Just my suggestion though.

Cluster flak? What is that?

[OFT]omg, 5:05am.[/OFT]

[Snail]

it either fires more rapidly or creates a 'screen' of flak fire.

[Woomeister]

Uh that's like saying the EA can't use beams unless they are different to the GTVA ones.

Flak guns are pretty standard tech and I don't think an energy flak type would suit the EA.

[Snail]

But that's unrealistic. Having a completely different alliance develop the exact same thing as the GTVA even though they've been apart for 66 years? The Beams I can understand since they're silver and all, but still, giving the EA the same flak as the GTVA is really quite unrealistic. Despite how unrealistic FS2 is already.

[Woomeister]

What does the colour of the beams have to do with anything?

I didn't say the EA and GTVA flak are exactly the same, there are differences between the two, but overall it's still the same weapon.

[Snail]

Variety, of course. They can have the same overall effect as long as they aren't completely the same, like in FS2 they changed the beam colors, you see (but they didn't change the flak, which kinda annoyed me).

[Woomeister]

Well there's more of a difference between Terrans and Vasudans than Terrans and EA.

[asyikarea51]

I think that, in the case of beams, both Sol and the GTVA had already seen the Luci's beam and how it behaved (Node wasn't fragged yet), so I can understand if both sides eventually made their own versions of the beam cannon that performed identical to each other (of course change the colour so that we know who's who ) Hence why I think that they shouldn't have exactly the same Flak, is because they both hadn't seen something that they could directly copy... surely they had to have come up with their own ideas for the projectile and the delivery system, which resulted in different methods of generating AS Flak?

Again, just my thoughts on it...

[Snail]

Due to the... err... Division?

You said that the Intel section is still the same as in R1. Are there any changes planned (there must be as it still says the SOC is autonomous)?

I think that, in the case of beams, both Sol and the GTVA had already seen the Luci's beam and how it behaved (Node wasn't fragged yet), so I can understand if both sides eventually made their own versions of the beam cannon that performed identical to each other (of course change the colour so that we know who's who ) Hence why I think that they shouldn't have exactly the same Flak, is because they both hadn't seen something that they could directly copy... surely they had to have come up with their own ideas for the projectile and the delivery system, which resulted in different methods of generating AS Flak?

Again, just my thoughts on it...

Maybe the GTA had blueprints in both Sol and outside which were never touched upon until they started getting desperate? I always viewed Flak as a Vasudan weapon, so maybe the Vasudan Admirals trapped in Sol gave the EA the idea, as well as giving it to the GTVA.

[asyikarea51]

I don't really have an argument there, but I find it odd that you view Flaks as a Vasudan weapon. To each his own I guess.

My perception in that it's a Terran weapon is influenced by the Flak Cannon in RA2YR (the game I was modding prior to my X2TT/X3TR modding frustrations, before I ended up here eventually).

[Snail]

Well, if they're Terran the GTVA should be the ****ing NTF since they have absolutely nothing to do with Vasudans. Think about it.

[Mobius]

I agree with that. Things V made weren't perfect. Just think about the lack of SEXPs which could have made the main campaigns more playable...

[asyikarea51]

One question concerning the Peregrine.

For INF SCP, which one is being used? The current one or the new one posted by SLICK2K6? Or perhaps both, but one is going into a modpack released at a later date?

[Snail]

SlickWhatever was making a HTL one, right?

[Woomeister]

One question concerning the Peregrine.

For INF SCP, which one is being used? The current one or the new one posted by SLICK2K6? Or perhaps both, but one is going into a modpack released at a later date?

If I get that one completed you'll have both. INF SCP includes low poly alternatives to most HTL models which you can swap at will.

[asyikarea51]

Yey. Should be easy to write up a TBM to change between models.

I just like the more "rounded" appearance of the original one in the Glory Shots thread. But, no harm in seeing what the new one will look like with a cockpit and textures...