[BlackDove]

Insane be those passages or not, I think we can all agree on the fact that whoever wrote the book was an idiot. Yes. It was a long time ago. Yes. People were less educated and that was the norm. Hence, idiot.

This isn't actually intended as any kind of a flame, just my opinion. If you're a religious follower all the power to you, please ignore my opinion.No need for counter arguments.

[Flipside]

Where in God's land, did you live?
What in God's hands, did you give?
Told your stories,
Told your lies,
Made it all up,
You were an Author.

Where in Gods land, did you pray?
What in Gods Ears, did you say?
All your stories
All your lies
You made it all up,
Your just an author.

Maybe something's wrong in here for me?
Maybe something's wrong in here for you?
We all know something's wrong in here.
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From one of my old bands' songs (about 13 years old now), seemed strangely relevant

[TrashMan]

Old Testament = full of crap that was written/added by crazy priests (or should I say rabi?)

I don't trust things that vere passed verbally for hundereds of years before being written down, and when they did it was by a few moraly very questinable characters with their own agendas..

New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

[Setekh]

Well, this thread's about as useful as reading the newspaper and looking for bits that would sound awesome out of context. I'm not going to be the one to suggest that people just learn to read the newspaper, though.

[Sandwich]

I'm betting this is mostly Old Testament stuff. From what I've seen or read, they were much more into the wrath and vegance back when it was still Judaism Then Christ came along and kind of told everyone to chill out a bit, and Christianity was born. Turn the other cheek and all that.

Ever read the end of Revelation, dude? I have an inkling that when Jesus comes back and lays some serious smack down on the world, people are gonna be blown away, having expected meek lil' donkey-riding Jesus.

[pyro-manic]

I wish he'd hurry up then. There's more than enough smacking needing doing as it is...

[vyper]

Somebody will probably shoot him on sight.

*jesus appears in holy land*
*suicide bomber explodes just as IDF soldier fires at him. Both have a rather nasty effect on Jesus, basically blowing him up and shooting him*
*God pisses self laughing at irony and drops a plague on the Middle East*

[karajorma]

Chronicles

21:17 And they came up into Judah, and brake into it, and carried away all the substance that was found in the king's house, and his sons also, and his wives; so that there was never a son left him, save Jehoahaz, the youngest of his sons.   
21:18 And after all this the LORD smote him in his bowels with an incurable disease.   
21:19 And it came to pass, that in process of time, after the end of two years, his bowels fell out by reason of his sickness: so he died of sore diseases. And his people made no burning for him, like the burning of his fathers.

None of that rivers of blood for you. We're going to make your arse fall off instead

New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

Bit of a bugger if you're a pig though.

Matthew

8:32  And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

I'm the son of God. Watch me make pigs do lemming impressions!

Seriously though Trashman have you ever actually read Revelations? It makes all the stuff quoted so far seem like a flesh wound.

Hey an0n, you got one that comes out and says directly that being gay is a sin? (Not that I think it is). So far, from what I read in the Bible, God's not specifically against gays, but is specifically against gay sex (Leviticus 18:22).

Ummm. No. It says to kill them. Read a little further. 20:13 is pretty clear.

Check pretty much any of these will show you the attitude the bible has. The page on cruelty and violence should be useful for those looking for some more stuff to post on here.  

[kode]

New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

with immediately being a few centuries, yeah I suppose.

[TrashMan]

Most if it was written by the apostols themselves, and some parts by their pupils, so yeah I would call that very accurate.

[pyro-manic]

I have got to buy this book. It sounds great.

[Ulala]

lets try Numbers 31 on for size, some highlights

in other words God comanded the his people to rape pillage and plunder, to slaughter captives, captive children, and keep the little girls as basicly sex slaves. aparently God himself gets a little peice of the score later on too.

Doesn't necessarily say sex slaves, could be future wives or some such thing.

Well, this thread's about as useful as reading the newspaper and looking for bits that would sound awesome out of context. I'm not going to be the one to suggest that people just learn to read the newspaper, though.

Not just the newspaper, but a newspaper from 1902 or some such obscure past date where nearly everything was different. Haven't seen many posts about the New Testament though. *shrugs*

[Bobboau]

this stuff isn't made to look bad out of context, it's all prety much "God doesn't like these people so he wants you to go kill them."

[Janos]

Old Testament is just awesome. Someone could make pretty hardcore progressive blackmetal and just growl the best parts, and it would sound so awesome. Actually I think this has been done like 419035 times. Nuke? My metal knowledge is rusty nowadays.

Anyways, OT is basically just old rules of some ****ed-up tribe, recycled through dubious amounts of drugs and insanity.

Also, reading these while listening to Deerhoof is an experiment I can recommend to everyone.

[General Freak]

New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

with immediately being a few centuries, yeah I suppose.

Well, if it was mostly be the apostles, it can't have been written a few centuries afterwards, can it?

[kode]

New Testament rocks...it's fresh (i.e. - written immediately after Christ died and mostly by hte apostols themselves) and far more accurate...

with immediately being a few centuries, yeah I suppose.

Well, if it was mostly be the apostles, it can't have been written a few centuries afterwards, can it?

well, I was gonna call the "show me a source" card, but then I remembered that trashman, being trashman, is full of crap.

Wikipedia
there are different viewpoints on this, I guess.

as an example I can take the "founding father" of the kingdom of sweden (even though the country existed well before he became king of it). He had a lot of "adventures" before he became king, and a lot of it is bull****. He rewrote that history himself. so even if the apostels did write the new testament (which isn't an absolute), they could be just as full of bull****.

[achtung]

I don't take today's Bible all that seriously because half the books were taken out, screwed around with, or added by the catholics or early christians.

I mean, Revelations is just a set of letters from some guy that the Catholics decided to stick in the Bible.

[ionia23]

It's true, you notice an incredible difference in the level of widespread violence between the old and new testaments.  I've always took that to mean God decided to try something different.

The 'message' can't really be interpreted by quoting scripture.  Those that do adopt whatever lines suit their immediate need and roll with it.  just like the old argument that while the bible describes homosexuality as 'abomination', it also grants the right so sell your youngest daughter off as a slave if you so desire.

I have my own idea of the 'message', but it isn't very popular these days.

Carry on.

[Setekh]

I mean, Revelations is just a set of letters from some guy that the Catholics decided to stick in the Bible.

I don't take that book seriously either. It's not even in the Bible. Revelation, on the other hand...

[Charismatic]

If this thread is not locked by tomorrow night, I will personally flame you all for this BS. Reading all of your posts has really pissed me off.

TAKE NOTE: Most if not, ALL of the versions of the bible you guys have posted have been: 1) off, 2) plain wrong, or 3) a really ****ed up transilation or a really bad mispelling.

Yes were all entitled to our opinions, and my opinion is that all your opinions suck:P and i dislike them greatly.

As i said, by thursday night. Il make sure to bring my bible and correct you all (if i can, heck, im only 18 and i know the bible a little but not enough; im still willing to try and attempt it).

Bah-humbug to you all..