[aldo_14]

Eh, there's a fan in every self-contained computer power supply I've ever seen.

I've never seen an external computer PSU, myself.  Except for laptop transformers, which I've never seen to have a fan either.  To me, shifting the PSU outside for heat reasons sparks thoughts of sloppy/rushed design, and for ergonomic reasons sparks thoughts of laziness.

[Goober5000]

I'm not referring to external power supplies; I've seen them in every computer I've taken apart.

Are we not talking about the same thing, or something?  Lookie here:

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/power-supply.htm

First Google result for "power supply".

[Grey Wolf]

You're talking about standard tower PSUs. Everyone else is talking about external PSUs, similar to the one used by the 360.

[WMCoolmon]

If the Xbox-360 were being sold as a computer with an integrated power supply, I'd agree with you.

But as it's being sold with a console with an external power supply, which in turn has its own fans, I'd have to say that it's different from most every console I've seen.

There are a lot of things that are technically a computer, but I'd be a bit surprised if I found cooling fans for the power supply to a TV remote.

[aldo_14]

I'm not referring to external power supplies; I've seen them in every computer I've taken apart.

Are we not talking about the same thing, or something? Lookie here:

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/power-supply.htm

First Google result for "power supply".

What GW said; talking about external here.  Obviously PCs and indeed the likes of consoles have internal PSUs with cooling, but the idea of having an external PSU that needs cooling (via internal fans - which would be the main shocker for me if it has them) and still overheats is something that I myself have never even heard of before now.

[Flipside]

I suppose I can understand the fans on something drawing enough power for a gaming computer, but one thing confuses me from experience.

My computer has a heat problem, it's nothing to do with the PSU, it's the graphics card processor, as with the X-Box, the card is inside the machine, so I have to open the side and point a desk fan in there to keep it cool, even though it has a fan mounted on it. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what is causing the heat problem for the XBox as well.

[Deepblue]

Actual the Xbox 360 sucks up more power than a standard gaming rig.

Temperature wise, the Xbox 360 can push out air at 210 degrees.

[aldo_14]

Actual the Xbox 360 sucks up more power than a standard gaming rig.

Temperature wise, the Xbox 360 can push out air at 210 degrees.

And yet it would seem the power unit is not correctly designed to handle that.

[Mefustae]

And yet it would seem the power unit is not correctly designed to handle that.

*Cough-Rushed design-Cough*

[Grey Wolf]

I blame Marketing.

[aldo_14]

I blame Christmas.....

Quite funny how no-one in Japan will buy the new one, either.  Only something like 28% sold in the first day and they're already discounting it (http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62132).

[Mefustae]

Quite funny how no-one in Japan will buy the new one, either. Only something like 28% sold in the first day and they're already discounting it (http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62132).

Not really, the Japanese have always preferred Sony and Nintendo. The simple explination is that almost everyone in Japan can see right through Microsoft's manupulative marketing and see the Xbox360 for what it really is; a POS that costs way too damn much.

[aldo_14]

Well, so long as they don't buy King Kong for it....

[Deepblue]

Quite funny how no-one in Japan will buy the new one, either. Only something like 28% sold in the first day and they're already discounting it (http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62132).

Not really, the Japanese have always preferred Sony and Nintendo. The simple explination is that almost everyone in Japan can see right through Microsoft's manupulative marketing and see the Xbox360 for what it really is; a POS that costs way too damn much.

Yet they buy Sony TVs...

(before you scream at me, I have a Sony Trinitron and it is constantly having problems that shouldn't happen on such an expensive TV)...

The Japanese are just xenophopic and nationalistic buyers from what I could see during my 5 years in Tokyo.

[Deepblue]

Well, so long as they don't buy King Kong for it....

Damn that would suck for a standard TV... Luckily they can release a patch through XBL.

But getting the 360 version is completely worth it...

[Col. Fishguts]

Hmmm, I played King Kong on a 360 at a friend's. Wouldn't say it was too dark, looked mostly pretty nice.

What bugged me though were some clipping errors between Kong and the T-Rex when fighting and overall not-so-impressive animations.
I know, I know ... most games suffer from this, but one might think that on those fancy new-gen consoles they would put that processing power to good use on better animation control/collision detection (instead of of only shiny graphics)

[aldo_14]

Hmmm, I played King Kong on a 360 at a friend's. Wouldn't say it was too dark, looked mostly pretty nice.

What bugged me though were some clipping errors between Kong and the T-Rex when fighting and overall not-so-impressive animations.
I know, I know ... most games suffer from this, but one might think that on those fancy new-gen consoles they would put that processing power to good use on better animation control/collision detection (instead of of only shiny graphics)

Costs money that, though.  And when your key sales are still on the current gen of consoles.......

EDIT;
Of course, the guys without ADSL or the HD (which is apparently in very short supply) are stuck.  bit of a bugger when you need an expensive high-def TV or a 50 quid 'optional' HD (which is only 13GB or so) to just play a game on your telly.  Bringing a patch-it-later approach to consoles, as is now possible and would seem likely, would badly hurt gaming.

[karajorma]

Damn that would suck for a standard TV... Luckily they can release a patch through XBL.

Isn't that wonderful. The days when games companies can release buggy, half finished games on the grounds that they can patch them later are finally here for the console!

One of the major advantages of the consoles was that the inability to patch meant that the designers of the game had to get it right first time. The fact that there are a limited number of possible specifications was also an advantage. And yet you trumpet the loss of one of the few good points of owning a console rather than a PC as if it was a good thing

[StratComm]

Damn that would suck for a standard TV... Luckily they can release a patch through XBL.

But getting the 360 version is completely worth it...

Now where is Dr Smart when you need him?  Ah, well, the ability to write bad software and promise to "patch it later" on a console just might get him to switch platforms, so that the computer gaming world will never have to see him again.

[Deepblue]

Most games do not recieve patches. But if a small issue is discovered after launch, it can be fixed quickly and effectively. The fact that most poeple do not have XBL is motivation enough to make it a solid game at launch.