[Darkage]

Damm i am still abit woryed about Snipes.

[Pez]

Oooppppsss.....

CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you

I don't know if this is true but it's always nice with a little propaganda [sarcasm]

Pez

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[joek]

 

Originally posted by Pez:
CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you

Maybe they are using old footage (which I find a disgrace as they maybe be doing it just to make more Americans angry or something)... but it cannot be denied that there was celebrating when the tragedy unfolded.

Not only do we have word of this from sandwich who lives over there (posted in this very same topic):
 

his people are celebrating in the streets over here, handing out candy to the children, etc

But also, that link states that the footage they are showing is of:
 

the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera

This is not what I saw... not from CNN, but from a spanish channel (I live in South Florida and we have at least three of them) who first showed the footage of these people jumping in the streets, holding up their flags, and one guy driving by honking his horn.

While CNN may be showing some old footage, it only discredits CNN, not the fact that there were people celebrating this horrendous event.

Joe.

[QXMX]

 

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND:


Hopefully this won't be another Vietnam.

Not a chance.  If it happens this will be a full force operation.

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[Pez]

 

Originally posted by joek:
This is not what I saw... not from CNN, but from a spanish channel (I live in South Florida and we have at least three of them) who first showed the footage of these people jumping in the streets, holding up their flags, and one guy driving by honking his horn.

While CNN may be showing some old footage, it only discredits CNN, not the fact that there were people celebrating this horrendous event.

Joe.

I agree with you Joe. And if this really is footage from '91 you gotta ask the question why CNN would show this.

Pez

[Pez]

Scary discussion:
 http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/336291/

[Snakeseyes]

When Americans and Russians fought against the Vietnamese and the Afghanis, they were really fighting each other. Americans supported Afghanis and Russians Vietnamese. Now if they cooperate, or even if one side won't interfere at all, there won't be a problem with the Talibans.

As for the weaponry Russia have, they are as advanced as Americas. The Hind is a very fast chopper with a different role than the Apache. They always had better technology in helicopters. Hind is a flying tank, it's very well armed. I don't know if this is true, but they are planning to produce one helicopter that has supersonic speed.

Their planes also are very good. Su-27 and Mig-29 are very good planes, equal to your F-16 and F-15. Their Artillery weapons are also advanced. They have a new Rocket system, RM-xx, I can't remember its name. It's standard rockets have a range of 80 km, whereas your MLRS if I remember well have a range of 45 km. Their rifle, the AK-47, is a very good rifle, powerfull and with a good range, although it starts to show its age.

I know all this because our army is one of the very very few that has weapons from both sides. MLRS and the older RM-70 (the russian mlrs), russian hovercrafts, american helicopters (Apache), american and european rifles and planes, the F-16 and Mirage-2000 planes and M-16 and G3 rifles.

The comparisson between the two countries is a difficult, and I really don't think there is a winner.

[Styxx]

 

Originally posted by Pez:
Oooppppsss.....

CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you

I don't know if this is true but it's always nice with a little propaganda [sarcasm]

Pez

Looks like it was a Brazilian that pointed it out, and he's already being attacked just for saying that the footage might be fake. Hatred is building up fast, and the media has everything to do with it. I was wondering why CNN was taking such an extremely harsh approach to it even before I knew about this - now I know that what they want is war. And they seem to want it badly.

The latest headline on CNN is America's New War, if you were wondering...

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[Snakeseyes]

Its not the first time CNN does that. Remember the video of the cormorane they showed back in the invasion of Kuweit? The bird was in the sea that was covered with oil and they wanted to show the natural disaster the Iraqis did. But really that video was filmed elsewhere, in North Sea, I think near Norwegia. CNN wants a war. It is their food.

[The Claw]

 It's just sick really...
    Heh, echoes of Tomorrow Never Dies anyone?

[Kellan]

The Palestinians were celebrating at the time that the WTC was attacked. The Israelis were pulling out of Jenin.

(Jenin, for those who don't know is a Palestinian-populated city. I believe that it's on the West Bank.)

EDIT: True I don't know what the reaction of every Palestinian was to the destruction, but the actions of a minority (enough to fit in one picture, by the looks of what I've seen in the papers - just the one image) do not dictate the mood of everyone of that group. Osama bin Laden is a Saudi. Are all Saudis, allies of the U.S, hoping to blow up tall buildings?

How much can we trust the good ol' corporate news media regarding this? If they reported everything even-handedly, it would be clear to all why people hate America, and what it has done, in their opinion to incur this wrath. Maybe we could have seen this coming a little better, or have reacted to the treatment of the world to prevent this. I guess now we'll never know.  

The only kind of retribution against the terrorists I feel would work and be justified, other than trial for those individuals responsible, is a concerted and co-ordinated long-term effort to improve the lives of those that oppose the U.S and West. We appear to live in ivory towers and mete out punishment to them, however true that may really be. By 'killing them with kindness' the terrorist recruitment base is drastically reduced.

All respect to those that died in the attacks, I abhor the loss of human life of any kind, anywhere. However, to quote Shrike's title there was "some real life sh1t" going on in other countries every day they were alive - and it's still doing so now.

Maybe this is the wrong time for this post. Maybe we should be focused on paying our respects. But I can't help but think about other stuff too, and beyond the human dimension I have a more objective view (I live in Britain).

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[CODEDOG ND]

Gotta remember you may have the american Apache, but you don't have the new Commanche.  It'll be tough to find a stinger or any missile that can lock onto it.  And I doubt anybody will be getting their hands on it for a looooonnngggg time since it is the first stealth helicopter.

I would say Naplam would be more effective but there isn't anything out there to burn.   j/k


Also, does it really matter at what time the Candains wrote that paper?

[The Claw]

 Yes, actually it does. For instance, I can find any number of quotes calling the Americas Colonies of Britain and France, if I go back far enough. I know, drastic example, but I would hope you get the idea.

[Sandwich]

 

Originally posted by Kellan:
The Palestinians were celebrating at the time that the WTC was attacked. The Israelis were pulling out of Jenin.

Pardon me, but you're wrong. The Palestinians began celebrating because of the news of the terror attack. The IDF wasn't pulling out of Jenin, look here.

I know that CNN can and oftentimes is biased - I frequently get ticked off at them for such stuff - but they were right on target when they reported about the Palestinians celebrations. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to grasp the simple fact that the Islamic world (in general; there are always exceptions) hates America's and Israel's guts.

Face reality, people. Where I live, we don't have a choice.


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[Pez]

Sandvich: What does the palestinans newspapers (if they have any) say about the celebrations? The Jerusalem Post seems to be jewsish newspaper and it would be nice to see it from their perspective.

Pez

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[Kazan]

The world is an evil thing.

"I teach you the overman. Man is something to be overcome."  - (Thus spake Zarathustra, Prologue, Ch 3) - Nietzshe

[Darkage]

 

Originally posted by Kazan:
The world is an evil thing.

Agreed.


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[Kellan]

 

Originally posted by sandwich:
Pardon me, but you're wrong. The Palestinians began celebrating because of the news of the terror attack. The IDF wasn't pulling out of Jenin, look here.

[/b]

Sorry sandwich, I stand corrected. You're closer to events there, so I'll take your word for it. I see that I mixed up 'pull out' with 'go in' and I doubt that any Palestinian would be cheering IDF tanks going in, given the relationships about those parts.

I know that CNN can and oftentimes is biased - I frequently get ticked off at them for such stuff - but they were right on target when they reported about the Palestinians celebrations. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to grasp the simple fact that the Islamic world (in general; there are always exceptions) hates America's and Israel's guts.[/b]

The main problem with the bias in news is it's everywhere - there are few alternative outlets, and even those purporting to offer the 'real' voice merely contradict everything written by the corporate news media just to appear consistent and non 'sellout'.

I'm not even going to go into the whole Muslim world thing - it's just too inflammatory, and gets too far off of the point. If you do want to know my views, email me - it's not like I'm difficult to find.  

--Kellan

[Sandwich]

 

Originally posted by Pez:
Sandvich: What does the palestinans newspapers (if they have any) say about the celebrations? The Jerusalem Post seems to be jewsish newspaper and it would be nice to see it from their perspective.

You are quite right in saying that the J-Post is a Jewish paper. However, keep in mind 2 things:

A) Palestinian news is (correct me if I'm wrong) run by the Palestinian Authority (PA), which is essentially the nearest thing they have to a government considering they aren't a nation.

B) It's not only the Jerusalem Post that reported the celebrations - all the news agencies caught it on the first day. However, what the world didn't see was videos of the PA policemen parrticipating in the celebrations. So while Arafat sent "condolences", his men were celebrating the slaughter.

I was searching for a PA news site despite all this, and ran across the Al-Ayyam site. It was all in Arabic, however, but I looked at he URL's in the status bar and found the link to their daily cartoon. Need I say more?


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