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Offline Fineus

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Ninja suits?

I won't ask :)

 

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Hey, if you're going to overthrow the regime, you may as well look cool in the process ;)

 

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Might cost a bit to kit out an army: Linky

 

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If history has told us anything, it's that bright primary colours win revolutions.

 

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If history has taught us anything, it's that we shouldn't trust the Germans.
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Spoken like a true football hooligan :)

 

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Or a Frenchman.
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Sacre bleu!

 
Re: Id card? £60-300. No ID card? £2500. Gover
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(on the electoral roll)

So...if you don't vote, then you can't be fined?
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(on the electoral roll)

So...if you don't vote, then you can't be fined?

To be precise, it's if you make yourself ineligable to vote (you have to be on the electoral roll to be allowed to cast a vote, i.e. to avoid fraud).

 

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Which sort of shows the governments true agenda with this. Only allow the docile little sheep who quite happily accept their **** to vote. Anyone who shows any signs of independant thought should be made scared to vote because they are scared of fines.
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I really don't get what you brits are so afraid of.  Yeah I have a California ID and a federal Social Security number.  Both these things are essentially required.  However, when has either one been an invasion of privacy?  Can anybody give me one example?  One?

If it's more than that, then speak up and tell us all why it will deny you all privacy.  Go ahead.
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I really don't get what you brits are so afraid of. Yeah I have a California ID and a federal Social Security number. Both these things are essentially required. However, when has either one been an invasion of privacy? Can anybody give me one example? One?

If it's more than that, then speak up and tell us all why it will deny you all privacy. Go ahead.

Because in order to be reliable as an identifier, that card has to be passed through a reader that will obtain biometric details from a central database and match them against encryption data on the chip.  Thus, those accesses can quite feasibly be stored and tracked and used to identify every service you use that requires the ID card - be it opening a bank account, having an operation on the NHS, travelling on the train or plane, etc.  Furthermore, the Id database will act to tie in all sorts of previously discrete record systems; such as your aforementioned NHS record, when previously this information was seperate and required clear legal authorisation for access.  Also, you will not be allowed to know who is accessing your personal data (the Data Protection Act can bar people from knowing what is stored upon them if it is deemed in the national interest).

Finally, these cards are a colossal waste of money and will be wholly ineffective for any purpose beyond tying together all your personal records.  In terms of specific security issues, not only does the government admit Id cards could not have stopped the 7/7 bombings, previous examples in Northern Ireland have shown ID cards reduce diligence in inspecting identity (a photocard ID was introduced there; it became the situation that posession of such an ID was enough to grant checkpoint access, rather than close examination - simple wave and go, same as you get from people pretending to be gas inspectors or FBI agents with false IDs) and rather act to stimulate forgery due to the placing of all ID eggs in the card basket (so to speak).

So we have a vast waste of money - taxpayer money - on a useless system whose only value is to store information about us and let the government access it for any purpose we deem fit, without us having a right to know what that purpose is if the government doesn't want us to.

 

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OK, point taken.
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Sorry boobies.

 

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NB: I should also emphasise; one of the things about having a passport, driving license, national insurance no, etc, is that all that information is seperate and kept in seperate systems.  It's still theoretically possible to scrape it together, but there are issues of technology, legality, etc that make it a lot harder to do so easily; so MI5 can still do a background search of these types of things, but they need proper solid evidence to justify the time and effort.  If you have to have your information held, it's best not to have it all in the one place.

 

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Can anyone say Poll Tax??
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Consider also that if you create one I.D. that's linked to so many records any forgery would also be linked to each and every one of those records. No longer is it a case of lost passport or lost driving licence, it's a case of lost identity.

 

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You, specifically? Or are you talking hypothetically? Cuz I can think of a few reasons for the former... :p
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Oops, that was in reply to an0n's first post in the thread... darn WAP browser... :o
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill