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Offline an0n

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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #40 on: January 19, 2006, 08:32:34 pm
They've already said a bunch of times that the 'great leader' will die before reaching Earth.

Assuming the prophecy is about her, of course. I still think it applies to Adama though.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #41 on: January 19, 2006, 08:52:21 pm
Adama... die!?... HERESY!
 

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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #42 on: January 19, 2006, 08:53:21 pm
More specifically, they said that the one that shall lead them to Earth, shall die before they get there. Specific, not a "great leader," IIRC.
 

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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #43 on: January 19, 2006, 10:23:01 pm
Interesting.

Could be almost anybody.

Of course you could make a very good argument for Starbuck being 'the one'...
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #44 on: January 20, 2006, 01:10:09 am
Quote from: an0n on January 19, 2006, 08:32:34 pm
They've already said a bunch of times that the 'great leader' will die before reaching Earth.

Assuming the prophecy is about her, of course. I still think it applies to Adama though.
Oh that's just stupid. Adama IS the new BSG. Killing him would be like Star Trek: TNG killing off Picard.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #45 on: January 20, 2006, 01:11:13 am
No killing of the badarse pilot. :p

I'm not the only one seeing a Moses parallel here, am I?




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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #46 on: January 20, 2006, 04:30:47 am
Quote from: ZylonBane on January 20, 2006, 01:10:09 am
Quote from: an0n on January 19, 2006, 08:32:34 pm
They've already said a bunch of times that the 'great leader' will die before reaching Earth.

Assuming the prophecy is about her, of course. I still think it applies to Adama though.
Oh that's just stupid. Adama IS the new BSG. Killing him would be like Star Trek: TNG killing off Picard.

Well, you did want to avoid cliche, didn't you?
 

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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #47 on: January 20, 2006, 09:46:21 am
There's "avoiding cliches" and there's "commercial suicide".

I highly recommend the BSG podcasts. I hardly ever listen to commentary tracks, but the BSG ones are really interesting. Mr. Moore is a smart guy.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #48 on: January 20, 2006, 10:53:23 pm
Spoiler:
I knew it! I knew they weren't going to kill off President Roslin! w00t w00t!
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #49 on: January 21, 2006, 01:09:30 am
Personally they shouldn't have even needed to have any of it as a plot device.

I would have used this episode to establish that Rosalin is starting to decline, the debate on Boomer's baby starts, and we start seeing Gina convincing people to be pro-Cylon. (no actual movement yet, but the beginnings)

It seemed all a bit too rushed and cliched.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #50 on: January 21, 2006, 01:45:08 am
Would've made for a pretty boring ep tho.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #51 on: January 21, 2006, 09:48:27 am
Quote from: Sandwich on January 19, 2006, 09:49:29 am
I just watched the first 3 minutes of "Pegasus" again, and Roslin is fine there. Seems to me that the big holiday break psycologically made them (the producers or whoever) think it was ok to have Roslin degraded so much in health by the end of the third episode. But when you watch the episodes back to back, it doesn't make any sense. They all take place within what, 2 days?

ooh, cancer can degrade a person very quickly actually. In a matter of days even.
But regardless, there are bound to be plotholes. When haven't there been plotholes? It would of course be nicers if there weren't any
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #52 on: January 21, 2006, 10:24:35 am
Ugh. Well, put this down as the first episode that I'm actually disappointed in.

Spoiler:
Human/Cylon blood just happens to cure cancer! Yay!

Some humans are so blisteringly stupid as to think that the Cylons want peace! Even though they already had it but killed billions of us anyway! Yay!

Nuclear warheads aren't just deadly, they're shiny and pretty too! And Colonials use the exact same symbol for radiation as we do! Whee!
Gahhh...

[sandy]Spoiler tags are there for a reason. Use them, damnit - I had to add them manually, thereby ruining at least one of the surprises of this fracking episode.[/sandy]
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #53 on: January 21, 2006, 10:38:27 am
Their entire society is taken as a 'suspension of disbelief' thing.

They all seems to speak English, the women wear make up, their ships have cockpits with open views, they wear ties, they have booze, the British guy is the smartest, there's a clear division of blacks and whites (which is probably the largest 'WTF' thing). All of these things are true on Earth and shouldn't necessarily be true in the Colonies - but they are.

Suck it up.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #54 on: January 21, 2006, 11:02:30 am
Dude, only about half of that list made sense. "They have booze"? "Cockpits have open views"? What the hell? Those aren't cultural things, those are universal.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #55 on: January 21, 2006, 11:07:47 am
Not really.

We only stumbled onto alcohol. And it's entirely possible that with different plants on their worlds they'd've come up with different intoxicants. Booze still, but not necessarily alcohol.

And open-view cockpits are due simply to our trust in our senses over our technology - which is pretty much a cultural thing. And their technology is alot more advanced than ours - thus they'd have more trust in it....well, until the first time the Cylons attacked anyways.

That's actually one of the things I like about the Wraith Darts on Atlantis. The Wraith evolved from cave-dwelling bugs so their cockpits turn into little cocoons that force the pilot to rely entirely on the HUD.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #56 on: January 21, 2006, 12:26:02 pm
This show is not science fiction for its own sake; it's using science fiction for allegorical purposes, so the principle of poetic license comes into play. The plausibility of certain details is stretched a bit in order to create a universe that conveys what they want it to convey. This is why the show is a real work of art and not a vapid techno-thriller.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #57 on: January 21, 2006, 12:38:00 pm
Quote from: an0n on January 21, 2006, 11:07:47 am
We only stumbled onto alcohol.
Yes, practically every civilization on the face of the Earth "stumbled" onto alcohol.

The people in BSG are human. They have a human metabolism. Positing that they would have some form of recreational fermented beverage is not even a tiny little stretch.
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #58 on: January 21, 2006, 01:00:47 pm
Some of that can be explained by the whole thirteen colonies thing.

Like the beer. :p
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Re: BSG: Resurrection Ship (part 2)
Reply #59 on: January 21, 2006, 01:07:17 pm
Plus a lot of the stuff to do with society and ergonomic design can be said to be due to basic human design; like having clear cockpits because our eyes are our primary method of sensory information, black-white seperation as a result of human mechanisms of attraction (ala people being attracted to similar facial structures to their own) and reactions to visual difference, not replacing human senses with technology for reasons of common sense (i.e. fighting an enemy specialising in technology and who freely uses nukes - and hence emp pulses) and because they're (senses) are inherently more reliable.   Etc.

Not to mention that a lot of the similarities to modern society in Galactica are deliberate, to place a particular cultural refence for use in the storyline.  And AFAIK we don't know the actual origins of humanity in BSG, so we don't know if or when the 'break' point with human society (on Earth) would be.  Plus you have to try and factor in how much human physiology factors into society and it's development; there's no point in assuming that human development would be entirely different on another planet, given that human nature is pretty much constant and humans would gravitate towards living in as similar as possible an environment as the one they left, i.e. Earth.
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