[Starks]

Also, was TerraKnossos in the exact same location?

[karajorma]

It was here



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[starfox]

And very uncomfortably close to Earth, if I may add...

[aldo_14]

And very uncomfortably close to Earth, if I may add...

But how else could you have a cool ending flyby of our homeworld?

[Mefustae]

Wow, Sol: A History got it way off! They had the node way out at Jupiter aroundabouts...

[Nuclear1]

LOLARTISTICLICENSEROFL!!!1

[Blaise Russel]

A wizard did it.

[Galemp]

We don't really know how nodes are tied to their host stars, whether they orbit or they're fixed.

[Nuclear1]

A wizard did it.

Ah, I get it now. Magic. Got it.

[Dark Hunter]

The original jump node was in Earth orbit. It may not actually have been orbiting Earth, but by coincidence Earth was passing by just as the Lucifer came.


As for Sol Gate's (Inferno) jump node, who's to say it would open in exactly the same place? In Inferno (slight spoiler) they jump in at the Sol system's edge. Maybe it opened in a completely different place?

There is a good reason however, that the original node would have been at Earth. It is discussed in a different thread, but the gist is that subspace nodes require a source of nearby gravity, most likely at the La Grange point around a planet. (I forgot the name of the thread that discussed this. It was a very involved explanation by a guy who obviously has way too much free time. )

[aldo_14]

The original jump node was in Earth orbit. It may not actually have been orbiting Earth, but by coincidence Earth was passing by just as the Lucifer came.


As for Sol Gate's (Inferno) jump node, who's to say it would open in exactly the same place? In Inferno (slight spoiler) they jump in at the Sol system's edge. Maybe it opened in a completely different place?

There is a good reason however, that the original node would have been at Earth. It is discussed in a different thread, but the gist is that subspace nodes require a source of nearby gravity, most likely at the La Grange point around a planet. (I forgot the name of the thread that discussed this. It was a very involved explanation by a guy who obviously has way too much free time. )

Hmm... I'm not sure about this, now; it seems another hole in the canon. 

Reading the tech stuff in the ref bible and FS2, it only really says intra-system jumps require a gravity source (preventing you from 'hopping' between places with instanteous short-range jumps), but not indicating why.  Albeit the suggestion in the FS2 techroom that most nodes are unstable, forming for nanoseconds, and that even sanctioned nodes are not permanent (expected to last for a number of years, maybe centuries or millenia) indicates IMO that there must be some other factor than gravity in the formation of nodes (because I presume that would be a relative constant).

[karajorma]

Where's the hole?

Remember that the stars aren't static in space. They're moving at quite a high speed relative to each other. Obviously the gravitational interactions between them are going to change over time.

[aldo_14]

Where's the hole?

Remember that the stars aren't static in space. They're moving at quite a high speed relative to each other. Obviously the gravitational interactions between them are going to change over time.

The hole is that it's not made explicitly clear what the conditions are that cause the formation of a node in the first place, nor what determines their length of stability.  Specifically what the role of an intense gravity field is, and why it allows (presumably) anypoint-to-anypoint jumps within an entire system vis-a-vis the methods of intersystem travel and the nodes used there.

I'm not sure that the references to gravitational effect mean anything other than the local bodies within a system (because of the use of 'intense'; AFAIK gravitational effect from other stars isn't worty of consideration as intense within a neighbouring system).  I guess you could have the sort of dense bodies postulated as existing at the centres of galaxies raising some effect, though, but I didn't think the movement of neighbouring systems could have a significant effect upon gravity fields in a system.

[karajorma]

That's not a hole so much as an omission really though.

[aldo_14]

That's not a hole so much as an omission really though.

Hole = an unoccupied space
Omission = leaving out something

There's a diffence?

[pyro-manic]

As far as I understand it, I'd think it'd have a lot to do with the orbits of the planets relative to each other. Particularly with the largest planets, Jupiter and Saturn. Jupiter has an orbital period of (checks numbers) about 12 Earth years, whereas Saturn's orbit takes closer to 30 years. As the planets orbit, their combined gravitational fields will mean that the lagrange points will move quite considerably over time, and may well amplify/interfere with each other and those of the other planets at certain times. So a node may "shift" between different sets of these points, or may disappear entirely, be it for a few seconds or a few centuries depending on the planets' positions relative to each other and the star. Any system with particularly massive planets will suffer this more often, and systems with few or no massive planets will have very stable nodes. But if and when one of these nodes collapses, it may not reappear for a very long time, until the gravitational forces have made conditions favourable again.

[FireCrack]

I always assumed that jump nodes would be locked into lagrange points.

[Ace]

With Cardinal Spear (being re-released with FSUP as the Vega Engagement, a pure FS1 version I'll release when I have a little more time to tweak CB animations) the Sol node was in the same position as seen in the cutscene.

Blackwater Operations, for plot purposes is at Neptune... which actually is a bit of a suprise to the characters

[karajorma]

Hole = an unoccupied space
Omission = leaving out something

There's a diffence?

The term plot hole is more generally used to point out a rather serious omission or a case where two pieces of canon information contradict each other.

I wouldn't call 's omission that serious.

The explaination that most people infer is good enough for almost every occasion in the game.

[aldo_14]

Hole = an unoccupied space
Omission = leaving out something

There's a diffence?

The term plot hole is more generally used to point out a rather serious omission or a case where two pieces of canon information contradict each other.

I wouldn't call 's omission that serious.

The explaination that most people infer is good enough for almost every occasion in the game.

Ach, you say 'omission' I say 'hole in descriptions'.