[Carl]

...but didn't the 1 GHZ come out last ear? does this mean moore's law=dead?

[Carl]

link--> http://www.intel.com/home/pentium4/tech-info.htm

[Fineus]

Argh, more "2GHz are better than 1.7 or whatever" stuff... I've already read Plasmas comment about this on the VBB and he couldn't be more right, Intel have lost the plot lately and I dread to think how much these things will cost, but I'm estimating around the £900 mark a piece. Give me quality over brute MHZ every time.

[Jabu]

Of course, what do you think a regular person (one with lots of money and absolutely no knowledge of computers) would buy, a 1.4 GHz or 2 GHz computer? Remember, these are the people that buy motherboards with built-in video cards, complain when 'that computer machine takes over 30 seconds to start up!" and actually use the damn thing for the occasional letter.

[aldo_14]

Appaerently, 1.4GHZ Athlons benachmark better than Pentium 1.7GHz, I doubt that this is all that good... it may be that Intel is attemtping to slow down the market to make more money out of their twice yearly speed upgrade....I wouldn't buy a P4 nowadays, anyway.

[Carl]

 

Originally posted by Thunder:
Argh, more "2GHz are better than 1.7 or whatever" stuff... I've already read Plasmas comment about this on the VBB and he couldn't be more right, Intel have lost the plot lately and I dread to think how much these things will cost, but I'm estimating around the £900 mark a piece. Give me quality over brute MHZ every time.

you all are missing the point.

[DragonClaw]

Intel sucks  

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[Carl]

i'm trying to point out the accelerating growth of computers and all you guys can do is talk about how much you hate Intel.

and BTW, i already knew Athalon 1.4GHZ>Pentium 1.7GHZ, but i'm pretty sure Pentium 2GHZ>Athalon 1.4 GHZ

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by Carl:
i'm trying to point out the accelerating growth of computers and all you guys can do is talk about how much you hate Intel.

and BTW, i already knew Athalon 1.4GHZ>Pentium 1.7GHZ, but i'm pretty sure Pentium 2GHZ>Athalon 1.4 GHZ

Athlon

[aldo_14]

 

Originally posted by Carl:
i'm trying to point out the accelerating growth of computers and all you guys can do is talk about how much you hate Intel.

and BTW, i already knew Athalon 1.4GHZ>Pentium 1.7GHZ, but i'm pretty sure Pentium 2GHZ>Athalon 1.4 GHZ

Moores Law is that chip speed will doubl yearly... but he only predicted it to happen for the next 10 years (1965-75), and the current rate had been per 18 months... the limiting factor on processing power isn't actually Moores law, but 'Rocks' Law' - the price of semiconductor fabrication doubling every 4 years, so eventually speeds will not be cost effective.

Of course,  speed is only really relative to what programs need... I don't think there are many games that would even need a 1GHz PC to run, and probably not any apps, so it's simply to get an impressive number to flog off PCs.

Oh, and BTW, I don't hate Intel, but I dislike the PC companies using the Pentiums' reputation as an excuse for making their PCs more expensive than AMDs.... I think if Intel don't have a monopoly, it'll encourage competition and thus lower prices.

[Nico]

AMD rocks. The pb is that VIA doesn't, and if you have an AMD, you'll have VIA chipsets on your motherboard  

[IceFire]

 

Moores Law is that chip speed will doubl yearly

I thought he was talking transistors.

[Setekh]

I think Ice is right.  

Btw people, who knows about Transmeta's processors, which run software between the usual hardware->software layer?

[Bobboau]

is AMD going to relese anything new soon, by that I mean something with a bus speed at or above 400 MHz, I've been waiting for almost a year, but even at 266 will the fastest Athlon beat a 1.8MHz P4, I want to go with AMD but the 400 MHz bus of the P4 is just too good. it seems like it's about time for something new to come out

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[Jabu]

 

Originally posted by Setekh:
Btw people, who knows about Transmeta's processors, which run software between the usual hardware->software layer?

Who doesn't know? Works with minimal power. I haven't heard much from that direction recently, almost nothing uses Transmeta processors, and I haven't heard of any faster ones comíng out anyway.

[Griffon UK]

Intel are just pumping out more Mhz for the brand image, but everything else has gone to pot...

the RIMM memory may be nearly twice as fast as DDR DIMMS, but its also around twice the price...   a 256mb RIMM costs more than a 1.5Ghz P4...

AMD are perfecting the Athlon 4, which (thank god) is compatible with Socket A mobo's, meaning any AMD owners will be happy for a long time, while Intel-adopters have to change their mobo with each chip-revision, as thats just Intel's method (****  us out of as much cash as possible)

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[aldo_14]

 

Originally posted by IceFire:
I thought he was talking transistors.

Oh yeah... checking back on my notes;

In 1965, Gordon Moore made a great prediction. He had noted that for the last three years, the number of components on an integrated chip had doubled yearly. At that point, a chip averaged about 50 elements. Moore announced that this trend would continue for another ten years, with chips doubling in complexity until they reached 65,000 components per chip. That number was mind-boggling at the time. Moore's prediction turned out to be true -- far more accurate than Moore had ever thought it would be. In fact, the complexity of a chip continued to double yearly for long after 1975. The rate of doubling has only recently slowed to about every 18 months.

Moore's observation, now known as Moore's Law, described a trend that has continued and is still remarkably accurate. It is the basis for many planners' performance forecasts. In 26 years the number of transistors on a chip has increased more than 3,200 times, from 2,300 on the 4004 in 1971 to 7.5 million on the Pentium II processor.


I think it's similar

[Bobboau]

what is the Athlon 4, from what little I've been able to gather its sounds like some Athlon optomised for laptops

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[Jabu]

The Athlon 4, or Palomino as it's been called, DOES have significantly smaller power consumption and heat dissipation than the T-bird, but it's also lots faster.

Whoops, scratch that. Old article.

The Athlon 4 IS for mobile computers. The next Athlon (which will not be called Athlon 4) is based on the Palomino, as is the Mobile Athlon 4. It's just supposed to be faster  

BTW. Don't Be Fooled.

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[Vertigo1]

 

Originally posted by venom2506:
AMD rocks. The pb is that VIA doesn't, and if you have an AMD, you'll have VIA chipsets on your motherboard    

WRONG!

The Asus A7M266 has an AMD chipset in it. (the 761 if memory serves).  The original Athlon motherboards had an AMD chipset in them.  VIA didn't show up until the T-bird's and Durons came out.

edit: mobo name fixed. (thats the last time I post here when I'm that tired.  )

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