[Mefustae]

...for the good of humanity common sense; Scientists enlist clergy in evolution battle against ID et al.

It would seem that Intelligent Design may have entered its death throes...

[Grug]

All I can say is, well duh, and about bloody time.

[Dave2040]

FSM!

[aldo_14]

Surely it'd be a holy alliance, though?

[Taristin]

I thought this was gonna be a reference to kazan's campaign...

[Black Wolf]

Le campaign de fau... oh, the other one.

[Ford Prefect]

I thought this was gonna be a reference to kazan's campaign...

It isn't?

[BlackDove]

It is[/b].

[redsniper]

Yay

[Nuke]

id is clearly (and poorly) designed o market religion to people with brains.
isnt your empire big enough?

[Grey Wolf]

Some of the clergy at least has been against it this entire time. Don't you guys remember the Vatican criticizing it?

[Mefustae]

Yes, but the fact that the Clergy and Scientists are working together is somewhat unprecedented.

[ToecrusherHammerjaw]

Religion and Science working together?!?!?!  It's the end!!  We're f***ed!! We're f***ed!!.................

Seriously though, it is both astounding and somewhat good to hear.  Perhaps this is what the guys who made up ID intended:  get religion and science to agree on an issue.  The plot thickens...... .

[Turambar]

Religion and Science working together?!?!?! It's the end!! We're f***ed!! We're f***ed!!.................

Seriously though, it is both astounding and somewhat good to hear. Perhaps this is what the guys who made up ID intended: get religion and science to agree on an issue. The plot thickens...... .

no, the guys who made up ID are a bunch of dumbasses who want to put god in places it doesnt belong for reasons unknown, probably some misinterpretation of the word 'faith'

way to dumb to do something deceptive while trying to acheive something else
they are americans at least (is american, is a college student, is america-bashing)

[aldo_14]

Religion and Science working together?!?!?! It's the end!! We're f***ed!! We're f***ed!!.................

Seriously though, it is both astounding and somewhat good to hear. Perhaps this is what the guys who made up ID intended: get religion and science to agree on an issue. The plot thickens...... .

you're giving far too much credit.  Like, exponentially too much credit.  All the ID crowd wanted was the same as the flat-earthists; to regress society to a state where any form of religious dogma and hence control would not be questioned or investigated by rational minded people.

[karajorma]

ID is and always was a scam. The idea was to try and make it sound like there is a scientific controversy around evolution. But if ID really is proof of a scientific controversy where are the papers about it? To this day not a single paper has been published in an accredited journal.

The proponents of ID would like to have you believe that this is because scientists won't publish anything that disagrees with the commonly held scientific view but this is utter rubbish. You only need to look at papers on epigenetics or the (later discredited) paper in Nature on the "memory of water" to show that even highly regarded journals will pubish papers that completely fly in the face of accepted scientific thinking if there is evidence to back them up.

Papers on ID have not been accepted because they get ripped to shreds when going through peer review. The evidence they present is so flawed as to be completely worthless.


The reason why the Vatican and now other clergy are behind evolution and not ID is that as well as being untrue ID makes them look bad if they associated with it. If the priests are lying/mistaken about ID it makes people wonder what else they are wrong about. One reason why the church has been losing followers is that they are looking increasingly out of touch with the rest of the world. Clinging to the creation myth that mankind didn't evolve really doesn't help that image.

[aldo_14]

Not to mention ID proponents are a grouping of people with varying levels of bible literalism, ranging from 'god directed evolution' to 'god created the earth in 7 days and fossils are fake'; if they were to ever try and specify Intelligent Design as a theory, not only would it undoubtedly fail testing, but it'd destroy their coalition to destroy rational science.

(NB: worth noting; the various churches including the Vatican, I'd think, still object to abiogenesis)

[karajorma]

Well lets at least win the debate on evolution before we start up on abiogenesis

[aldo_14]

Well lets at least win the debate on evolution before we start up on abiogenesis

It's not really a debate if the other guy is sticking his fingers in his ears and going nanananananananananananana, is it?

[Janos]

Well lets at least win the debate on evolution before we start up on abiogenesis

It's not really a debate if the other guy is sticking his fingers in his ears and going nanananananananananananana, is it?

Well, if I ignore you then I demand and deserve a fair oh wait this doesn't work out th