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Offline Deepblue

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Since I know this forum just loves politically charged debate material, I figured that it could be put to good use. I am currently writing an affirmative case with the resolution:
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The United States federal government should substantially decrease its authority either to detain without charge or to search without probable cause.
Specifically with reference to racial profiling. Now, I'm having a hard time finding sources proving the HARM, aka that racial profiling exists and it is a problem. In fact, many of the stuff I find off of google is trying to debate the opposite. As such, I was hoping someone here knows where I could find said documents.

Thanks.

 

Offline Scuddie

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This is too broad a subject to even comment on.  What you are looking for is not going to be found using the terms that you provided.  If you narrow your scope, and investigate multiple matters independantly, you will find that most if not all will conflict with every other. 
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Offline Deepblue

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Specifically, racial profiling targeted at "terrorists!" at airports/border crossings.

 

Offline Blue Lion

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You don't have proof racial profiling exists?

 

Offline Deepblue

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The articles I found argued against it. Which sucks for my case.

 

Offline Blue Lion

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You've never heard of DWB?

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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I haven't seen any kind of official proof, but I'm sure it happens.
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Yeah it's out there heh me and sandwich were "randomly" selected for extra screening at every airport we went through in the States because we came from the ME you would think they would make an exception for American Israelies but I guess not... :doubt:
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Offline aldo_14

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Yeah it's out there heh me and sandwich were "randomly" selected for extra screening at every airport we went through in the States because we came from the ME you would think they would make an exception for American Israelies but I guess not... :doubt:

If you were Saudi they'd probably have let you straight through.........

(that's how something like 9 of the 12 9/11 hijackers got into the country IIRC, on a special fast-track visa scheme for Saudi citizens introduced to counteract more strenuous border security and checking measures).

IIRC statistics do show (on the subject of racial profiling) more black people are - proportionally - arrested or stopped as suspects.  Doubt there would be an official piece of legislation on that, though.  I'd focus more on the lowering of a burden of proof and how that increases the likelihood of lax, profiling derived investigation techniques.

 

Offline Grug

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Yeah it's out there heh me and sandwich were "randomly" selected for extra screening at every airport we went through in the States because we came from the ME you would think they would make an exception for American Israelies but I guess not... :doubt:
That sux. =/

On a lighter note, where were you guys going? :)

 

Offline Flipside

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Thing about racial profiling is that it's built into the human brain.

An example happened when I worked for the Police. A video was shown regarding IRA Terrorists, and the example showed a guy with a strong Irish accent driving a white Transit Van. For four days afterwards, the only Anti-Terror stop and searches were of Irish men driving White Vans.

It's a terrible thing, but it's human nature alas, we like to put labels on our 'enemies', after all, what's the difference to the human brain of 'Has black and yellow stripes' and 'Has dark skin'. I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not saying nothing should or could be done about it, but I am saying it's natural.

 

Offline Grug

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Coppa's!

Quick eject the cargo before they scan us!
:p

Nothing to see here officer... *whistles innocently* :D

 

Offline Blue Lion

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Yea, you're not gonna have a hard time finding official government documents "Study shows we don't like blacks and arabs"

I would look more for university studies and (god bless em) lawsuits.

 
Yeah it's out there heh me and sandwich were "randomly" selected for extra screening at every airport we went through in the States because we came from the ME you would think they would make an exception for American Israelies but I guess not... :doubt:
That sux. =/

On a lighter note, where were you guys going? :)

actually it was pretty ammusing... our father started telling the gaurds how he appreciates the extra screening but they dont need to lie and tell us that it's "random" he would tell them we knew how it works blah blah the secruity guys would just get offended and pissed and be like "sir its random security screening please come with us" dumb dumb dumb.

We were just on our way to visit a bunch of family and friends NY, KS, FL....

Don't get me wrong though I support racial profiling... well not racial profiling, rather, I support national profiling...
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Offline aldo_14

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I know a guy who has family in the US, and he visisted them a few years back after 9/11.  At the time he had a bit of a beard going and longish hair, so he got pulled away to be interviewed by a 'homeland security officer', who shouted 'we've got a phase 2 here!'.

 

Offline Flipside

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He should have asked where the Nuclear Wessels were ;)

 
the cops in our neighborhod got in trouble
an investigation was done into the race/percentage arrest rate and compared to the city's ethnic makeup percentage
they found the ethnicity for thte average arrest to be:
30% black
65% Mex.
5% White
in comparison to the city makeup which is about:
55% Mex.
15% Black
30% White

so they made a big deal and blew it out of proportion and said something about how the arrest percentages should be the same as the city percentages. More simply put by this investigation: the cops are racial profiling. bull****. the cops in my neighborhood arrest whoever does criminal activity, they cant control which races choose to participate in such activities. The cops were then forced by the judge (or something like that i cant remember for sure) to arrest more whites and mexicans and less blacks.
Now, How is this bettering law enforcement again?

 

Offline Flipside

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A lot of people misinterpret what Racial Profiling is. In many cases it's not a question of policy or agreed practice, it's just the fact that there are, and always will be, people who, when seeing a group of white youths and a group of black youths, be looking more for criminal activity amongst one ethnic group. So the white youths may be doing something illegal, but the officer is so busy keeping an eye on the black youths he does not even see that they are doing so.
It's not a deliberate thing, it is slightly racist, but it is also human nature to be so. Screaming and shouting about it will worsen the situation, not improve it.

And saying it should be the same percentages as the city is a stupid thing to say, it doesn't take social/living conditions into account, or the class divide that inevitably grows. Even that, in a way, can be traced back to 'racial profiliing'.

Assuming that every white officer is looking for black criminals is also as much racial profiling as assuming all blacks are criminals in the first place.

 

Offline aldo_14

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the cops in our neighborhod got in trouble
an investigation was done into the race/percentage arrest rate and compared to the city's ethnic makeup percentage
they found the ethnicity for thte average arrest to be:
30% black
65% Mex.
5% White
in comparison to the city makeup which is about:
55% Mex.
15% Black
30% White

so they made a big deal and blew it out of proportion and said something about how the arrest percentages should be the same as the city percentages. More simply put by this investigation: the cops are racial profiling. bull****. the cops in my neighborhood arrest whoever does criminal activity, they cant control which races choose to participate in such activities. The cops were then forced by the judge (or something like that i cant remember for sure) to arrest more whites and mexicans and less blacks.
Now, How is this bettering law enforcement again?

I think, statistically, there is not an equal racial discrepancy upon crime rates when it comes to actual conviction.  The criticism over this no doubt stems to the times when a black guy could be stopped and/or arrested simply for being in the 'wrong' area.

Can I ask, do you have the ethnicity-based conviction rates or the ethnic makeup of your specific neighbourhood (rather than the whole-city makeup)?

  

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When I went to America the year after 9/11 I got stopped a couple of times at the airport. I said to myself that if I got stopped in the UK I was going to loudly ask if "Is it cause I is black" in my best Ali G accent :)
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