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Offline Taristin

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i wish ppl didnt steal games...imagine how much more funding all these poor devs would get...i  know what its like to pour your blood and sweat into something only to reap little rewards while millions of people just ripped you good.

The devs make all of what? 10-25%? The rest is publishers.
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More like 5-10% from what I've heard. 50% and more is marketing, and the rest for production&shipping, administration, etc.
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...imagine how much more funding all these poor devs would get...i know what its like to pour your blood and sweat into something only to reap little rewards while millions of people just ripped you good.
That's exactly what I think every time I download/copy/"borrow" a game made by EA, and it makes me smile every time.
Amen.

 

Offline aldo_14

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I may be wrong, but the Xbox 360 has yet to be cracked to my knowledge.

It has to some degree; firstly, a dutch group managed to break the disk copy protection (although not to the extent of being able to run copied disks, just extract the file system).  Also, someone used a vulnerability from the kiosk demo CDs to allow playback of a ripped DVD movie.  Also, one of the preloaded games on the hard disk (Hexic HD - flash based, apparently) was cracked to be copied onto a disk and ran on the 360, or run on a PC.

 It's inevitable it will be cracked, as will the Revolution and PS3, though; they always are.

 

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There we go, confirmation of Nov 06.  http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060315/sfw079.html

Simulataneous release, it says, although I suspect that's a face saving measure because launching in other areas in 2007 would be a big(er) loss of face for Sony.

EDIT; http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060315-6385.html appears to come with a 60GB hard-drive as default, but no price given.  So if you want one, prepare to remortgage your house........

 

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@Aldo, the HDD is required for the "XBL killer" (yeah, right [sonicstage anyone?]) service. I doubt it's going to be standard.

Minimum price point is going to be $425 (Japanese yen conversion) according to gamersreports.com. Considering that it's always more expensive in the US, I'm geussing $499. If MS does indeed start shipping 360s with a 100 GB hard-drive and puts down a price drop just before the launch of the PS3, Sony could be in deep water. Especially if this is what they are going to offer at launch...

Xbox 360 launch title:



PS3 launch title (of same nature):



Preview:
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3148774

Considering that Katarugi marketed the PS3 as a supercomputer for entertainment (and referring to the competition as Xbox 1.5), being barely better than a year-old console specs wise is not good for Sony.

 

Offline aldo_14

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You should really place your screenshots in a bit more context.

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When we questioned Dark Kingdom producer Andy Sites as to how all of the alleged PS3 graphical firepower was used, he pointed out the particle effects, some of which include shimmering dust particles, softly falling leaves, elaborate spell effects, and glowing rays of light. Sites also mentioned the use of the Havok physics system in rendering real-time interactive environments, specifically pointing out an instance from the demo where your character travels through a shallow pond and the water responds with appropriately detailed animations. These are all nice touches, but regardless, they are only touches. The "meat and potatoes" of the graphics engine on display just wasn't up to par with what our hype-driven imaginations were expecting.

With all that said, hopefully you won't take all of this as a grim indication that the PS3 is vastly over-hyped in the visuals department. The fact of the matter is that we only saw one game that was relatively early in development. It's entirely plausible that -- just as developers around the world suggested after the PS3's specs were revealed -- developer skill and especially time will serve as the major factors behind how next-gen a PS3 game looks and feels -- much like how the situation is with the Xbox 360.


 

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The context is that one is going to be a year old when the other one is released, and look just as good (if not better) than it. Heck, MGS4 looks great, but so does GeoW. The point is, Katarugi hurt himself when he called the 360 the Xbox 1.5 because then that would make the PS3 the PS2.5. The initial promise was a generation beyond the 360 (Killzone prerender), but that's clearly just hype and lies.

Furthermore, when you have games like GRAW coming out now, there isn't any reason for the casual consumer to wait for the PS3.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2006, 10:24:31 am by Deepblue »

 

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The context is that one is going to be a year old when the other one is released, and look just as good (if not better) than it. Heck, MGS4 looks great, but so does GeoW. The point is, Katarugi hurt himself when he called the 360 the Xbox 1.5 because then that would make the PS3 the PS2.5. The initial promise was a generation beyond the 360 (Killzone prerender), but that's clearly just hype and lies.

Um, surely the context is that we simply don't have a graphical watershed to compare?  As they, er, said right in the article, it's an early title and not necessarily representative.  It's like taking, say, any of the release-day EA titles alone as a marker, when they looked utter ****e and in some cases actually worse than their Xbox equivalents.  For example, look at this older story; http://games.kikizo.com/news/200602/065_p1.asp ("The hands-on evidence is beginning to mount up. We're talking about a machine barely superior to Xbox 360 - not by any significant margin. It's certainly obvious this machine is not "twice" as powerful as 360, let alone a generational leap ahead. But the gap could become bigger: "Realistically, as libraries and experience with both machines grow, I think the PS3 will start showing things the 360 will choke at," offers the source. "But Sony will have to make available to us libraries and new routines for that to happen - something they've been severely lacking at so far."").

Same as Kameo and Perfect Dark are/were jazzed up Gamecube games.  At least wait unitl E3 (or more than one preview) until launching your bish-bash0bosh campaing, you'll still have more than a few months to post screenshots.

EDIT; anyways, surely we all know Kuragi is a bit of an arrogant ****?  I mean, it's the same for all these head honchos, and you'd be an idiot to take anything the lead businessmen at Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft as being anything beyond PR spin.

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Furthermore, when you have games like GRAW coming out now, there isn't any reason for the casual consumer to wait for the PS3.

Um, price drops?  360 games run at £10-25 more than any others, and the likes of GRAW and er, that boxing one, don't actually offer anything beyond very nice graphics (the scores I've seen for it have been positive 8/10 types, but not verging into the killer app status as it has beautiful graphics but not all that much innovation and, according to one review I read this morning, poor AI and little beyond move commands for tactics).  And the consumer, IMO is less and less interested in fancy graphics, because they don't trust them - we've all seen the pre-rendered video on game adverts after all. 

Plus the 360 simply isn't worth it's current price, even if you can find the thing in stores; it's 2 or 3 times the price of current-gen console bundles, with a smaller library and, of course, more expensive games.  Perversely, the 360 can't really take off until it has competition, because at the moment it's in that exclusive expsnive hardware bracket occupied by stuff like 50" TVs and top-range hifis.

EDIT; for example, take PCs.  Now we have 64-bit chips running in pairs at 3GHz plus, why do people still buy slower/older ones?  Why do people buy a 7500 Geforce when they can have a 7900?  why buy a Fiat when you can buy a Ferrari instead?  Why doesn't everyone have a 14" LCD HDTV in their bedroom rather than a creaky cheap one?
« Last Edit: March 15, 2006, 10:51:48 am by aldo_14 »

 

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The context is that one is going to be a year old when the other one is released, and look just as good (if not better) than it. Heck, MGS4 looks great, but so does GeoW. The point is, Katarugi hurt himself when he called the 360 the Xbox 1.5 because then that would make the PS3 the PS2.5. The initial promise was a generation beyond the 360 (Killzone prerender), but that's clearly just hype and lies.
Um, price drops? 360 games run at £10-25 more than any others, and the likes of GRAW and er, that boxing one, don't actually offer anything beyond very nice graphics (the scores I've seen for it have been positive 8/10 types, but not verging into the killer app status as it has beautiful graphics but not all that much innovation and, according to one review I read this morning, poor AI and little beyond move commands for tactics). And the consumer, IMO is less and less interested in fancy graphics, because they don't trust them - we've all seen the pre-rendered video on game adverts after all.

Plus the 360 simply isn't worth it's current price, even if you can find the thing in stores; it's 2 or 3 times the price of current-gen console bundles, with a smaller library and, of course, more expensive games. Perversely, the 360 can't really take off until it has competition, because at the moment it's in that exclusive expsnive hardware bracket occupied by stuff like 50" TVs and top-range hifis.
Actually, GRAW is averaging 9.0 on Gamerankings.com with most reviews falling between 9 and 10. The AI is not "poor" but definitely not the best. The strategy IS heavy, and based on that review (the EG one I presume?) I take it the reviewer isn't exactly the best when he complains about "dizzying NVG" considering that is a GOOD thing because it prevents it from being used as a crutch while still proving effective at spotting enemies, especially through smoke grenades.

Let me put it this way... EG reviews are trash.

I agree with the following statement, however, the PS3 will probably be at least $499 in the US, and if MS pulls a price drop out (a year on the market should be enough), it would:

A. Lower the price into a wider bracket.
B. Provide strong competition against the PS3.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Actually, GRAW is averaging 9.0 on Gamerankings.com with most reviews falling between 9 and 10. The AI is not "poor" but definitely not the best. The strategy IS heavy, and based on that review (the EG one I presume?) I take it the reviewer isn't exactly the best when he complains about "dizzying NVG" considering that is a GOOD thing because it prevents it from being used as a crutch while still proving effective at spotting enemies, especially through smoke grenades.

Let me put it this way... EG reviews are trash.

I agree with the following statement, however, the PS3 will probably be at least $499 in the US, and if MS pulls a price drop out (a year on the market should be enough), it would:

A. Lower the price into a wider bracket.
B. Provide strong competition against the PS3.

Actually, the 8/10 review (mentioning the AI and genericity of the gameplay) was on Teletext (C4).  I tend to trust UK based reviews more than the US websites because a) there are cultural differences (reading the various reviews on GRAW, it would seem we don't place so much upon visuals) and b) the like of IGN seem to give bizarrely overdone ratings to major titles.   Eurogamer, in particular, I've found to be a far more reliable guide than, for example, Gamespot or IGN/Gamespy.

I would imagine MS would try to price-drop the 360, although I think that'd depend on what their losses are at the moment, and upon PS3 sales.  Dropping prices immediately would be somewhat of a defensive measure, and they'd be concerned that it's the wrong signal to send if people get the impression they have to reduce prices because either they're 'losing', or because the 360 is expensive compared to the PS3.  I'd imagine pushing out something like Halo3 would be a more likely tactic; it'd give a sales impetus and prevent them having to decrease prices too early in the consoles lifecycle, particularly as a substantial gap is likely for them.  What is really interesting, IMO, is how the Revolution will fit in - especially as it's been suggested that it may be as little as £100-150 (which would be half the Xbox360), and seems likely to arrive before the PS3.

 

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I think we'll see Halo 3 at E3 this year, but I doubt it's going to be ready for the launch of the PS3. Games like it tend to be prone to delays and I could easily seeing it going up against MGS4 and others later in 2007.

 

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Halo prone to delays? Ha ha ha... Halo is prone to being rushed.

 

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Halo 1 was "rushed" but turned out fantastic. Halo 2 was delayed repeatedly. Since Halo 3 will not be a "launch title" there is no need to rush it and as such it will probably be delayed.

It's inevitable with high-profile games.

 

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It'll likely have a cliffhanger ending, too, and therefore suck.
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Halo prone to delays? Ha ha ha... Halo is prone to being rushed.
Aye.

Plus I'm not so sure Bungie would try so hard to push an E3 demo out this year. If they do show up with H3, it may only be with a few details, movies or screenshots.


If Nintendo can get some good games out on the Revolution (big flaw of the gamecube) then i'm going that way. Tempting to get it just for that Zelda game.

 

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Halo 1 was "rushed" but turned out fantastic. Halo 2 was delayed repeatedly. Since Halo 3 will not be a "launch title" there is no need to rush it and as such it will probably be delayed.

It's inevitable with high-profile games.
Halo fantastic? Are we talking about the same game?

I thought it was one of the most boring and generic things I have ever played in my entire life! It didn't do anything new, and everything it did has been done before in much better ways before it came out.

Halo is dog****.

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If Nintendo can get some good games out on the Revolution (big flaw of the gamecube) then i'm going that way. Tempting to get it just for that Zelda game.
There's a pletora of great games on the Gamecube. About three on the PS2 and a big none on the X-Box.

  

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Great games on game cube? =/

Very few. Metroid - crap, sonic adventures - utter crap, zelda windwalker - semi alright.
Too few big titles worth getting to play for. =(

 

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Grug, please. There are more games on the Gamecube than Nintendo's franchises. I'm not a fan of them either and I still get plenty of fun out of my Gamecube.

But yeah... I thought Halo was one of the dullest big name FPSes I've ever played. Although I love cliffhangers and found Halo 2's story infinitely more enjoyable than the first's so I didn't mind the second one that much.

 

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Sonic Adventures IS crap.
I think Wind Waker is a brilliant game, the sea stuff is very tedious but once you get past that it's great. What about Super Smash Brothers? Animal Crossing? Mario Sunshine? Monkey Ball? Ikaruga? Soul Calibur 2 (Superior extra character)? Fire Emblem?
Plus Twilight Princess is coming out too.

All I have for my PS2 is We Love Katamari and Dynasty Warriors, nothing else is worth it. And the pad gives my hand cramps too. Goddamn lazy Sony..