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Offline Mars

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Is anyone familure with the Railgun in the Freespace 1 tables? If so please leave Veteren comments about it on the wiki, http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Weapon. The one I left just sounds stupid.

P.S. Is this post in the right place? I didn't think people would see it in the Wiki forum, I wanted a more "General" selection.

 

Offline Charismatic

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Is anyone familure with the Railgun in the Freespace 1 tables? If so please leave Veteren comments about it on the wiki, http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Weapon. The one I left just sounds stupid.

P.S. Is this post in the right place? I didn't think people would see it in the Wiki forum, I wanted a more "General" selection.
Yes this is in the right place. The "Railgun" was the name they origionally had, for a weapon in FS2, that they later changed. Most all of the FS2 weapon names that we see now, in game, were something different before when they were being developed. The Railgun, was, IIRC, the Subach-HL7. I may be wrong, but you get the general idea.
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Offline Mars

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No just glancing at the stats it's very different from the Subach.

 

Offline Solatar

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No no no no no...The railgun was a hidden superweapon type thing introduced in Silent Threat. It was in tables IIRC, but it was commented out.

The fs2 naming thing was different. Subach was the Sidearm.

 

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Offline Charismatic

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I may be wrong, but you get the general idea.
I was alittle farther off then i thought. My apologies. Thanks for the corrections, Solatar.
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Actually so far all of you are wrong.

The Railgun was originally supposed to be the anti-subsystem weapon in Descent: FreeSpace.  It has nothing to do with the Subach HL-7 (which came out in FS2).  It was a test weapon in the tables that was just never removed.  It actually doesn't work very well in the default tables without some work.  Alot of early table modifications enabled the weapon for fun's sake but it wasn't all that useful without quite a bit of change.  I think they decided the concept of a railgun and the other weapons didn't quite match up so the Disruptor cannon was borne, being quite a bit like the ML-16.

From what I understand, the Railgun was probably the same "vintage" in the development period where the Ulysses was originally a Terran bomber.  Lots of things changed during the development of the original game.
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Offline FireCrack

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The ulysses? Dont you mean the apollo?
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline S-99

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Technically there still is a railgun in fs2.
And that would be the mass accelerator sliding caseless slugs along it's smoothbore barrel.
The maxim :nod:
On another note, why name a weapon that disrupts subsystems after a gun that shoots a bullet at the speed of light?
The maxim on the other hand is not a gun that shoots near the velocity of the speed of light, otherwise you'd literally blows holes through the hulls of anything with one shot.
Now that would be funny stuff, target a subsystem with an actual railgun, and take it out in one shot:p
On a side not, railguns that can achieve the near speed of light velocities, they need a lot of power, like a powerplant.
Actual railguns are sweet :)
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Offline S-99

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And yes the sidearm is the subach hl7.
How in the hell would a ulysses survive being a bomber?
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What is meant by the disruptor cannon being like ml16?
I know you wont get anywhere with trying to kill a ship with a disruptor cannon versus an ml16 barrage :lol:
And an ml16 trying to take out a subsystem doesn't work too well.
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Offline Mefustae

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The disruptor cannon is like the ML-16, but is considerably better than the ML-16.

 

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In my knowledge, a rail gun is not an energy weapon, but kinetic.
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Actually so far all of you are wrong.

The Railgun was originally supposed to be the anti-subsystem weapon in Descent: FreeSpace. It has nothing to do with the Subach HL-7 (which came out in FS2). It was a test weapon in the tables that was just never removed. It actually doesn't work very well in the default tables without some work. Alot of early table modifications enabled the weapon for fun's sake but it wasn't all that useful without quite a bit of change. I think they decided the concept of a railgun and the other weapons didn't quite match up so the Disruptor cannon was borne, being quite a bit like the ML-16.

From what I understand, the Railgun was probably the same "vintage" in the development period where the Ulysses was originally a Terran bomber. Lots of things changed during the development of the original game.

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Offline S-99

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Interesting thing about the disruptor and the ml16, i'll have to try the disruptor out a lot more on the port.
As far as  :v: and the railgun name for the disruptor, maybe they realized it was dumb after thinking about an actual railgun.
And i also like pointed out that a railgun was kinetic :lol:
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Offline Mars

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I've always wondered how the GTW-66 Maxim gun (Wiki does it to you) is by definition an energy weapon when it uses ultra-efficent conventional explosives to accelerate uranium slugs down a smoothbore barrel, which sounds like a high tech conventional gun to me.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Because ballistic primaries weren't implemented until some time before FSO v3.0
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Offline S-99

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AHA! Direct quote from game time :D
"Reconstruction efforts after the great war inspired advancements in metallurgy and efficient conventional explosives.  The two are elegantly combined in the gtw-66 maxim.  The maxim is by definition an energy weapon,though it behaves like a high-velocity mass-driver cannon, accelerating uranium slugs along its smoothbore barrel.  The maxim has a difficult time penetrating energy-based shields, but it has a devastating effect on hull plating and subsystem armor."
My main gripe about the maxim cannon is the only single thing classifying it as an energy weapon is that it says "The maxim is by definition an energy weapon,".
As far as railgun goes, it says it acts like a mass driver, but it doesn't say it out right.
On another note, "advancements in metallurgy and efficient conventional explosives."
It doesn't say what the efficient explosives are for.
My guess would be that it may use explosives to propel the uranium slug like a standard bullet today.
Though a rifled barrel would be much better than a smoothbore.
As far as the cannon being ragarded as an energy weapon by definition.
Maybe it's the fact that it runs off of your gun energy, and that would seem to be really the only reason, because it doesn't use ammunition, unless people get the enable analog ballistic ammo gauge feature working with scp(like ngtm1r mentioned).

Or if the maxim was a mass driver it'd be using the energy to propel the uranium slugs anyway, but  :v: neglected putting in an ammunition meter for the weapon.
If the gun is to be using any energy at all and not have limited ammunition, it'd either have to be a mass accelerator, or a space-age machinegun(what the description points it out more to be than a mass driver), you'd need my least likely idea for why it's an "energy weapon by definition."
If it used a replication matrix(like replicators on star trek) to replicate bullets on demand, which you're gun energy would be powering.
Like i said, that's the least likely idea.
And since fs2 has no beaming transporting devices(like startrek), they're so definitely not able to convert energy into matter with another device :)
 :v: should have just plain old included an ammunition gauge or something, i mean, the maxim in many ways is not by definition an energy weapon at all.  When the term energy is used, i start thinking electricity.  Of course when the gun uses explosives to accelerate the uranium slug, yeah that's energy, but it gets too damn confusing calling a machine gun an energy weapon based on that.  Not to mention weird, it'd be wierd as hell refering to an m-16, or a pistol as an energy weapon, if anyone gets what i mean besides referring to lasers and emp's as energy weapons?
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Offline S-99

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Back on the original topic, slightly, but by the tech description the maxim does have heavy subsystem damage. :lol:
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Offline FireCrack

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Keep in mind, that to the GTVA "conventianal explosives" may mean "nuclear bombs"
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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The majority of modern tank cannon are smoothbores. (Offhand only the Brits are using rifled cannon anymore. They've never been particularly big on standardizing their guns.) They can attain higher velocities then rifled weapons, and you have all that nice onboard electronic stuff for accuracy. Smoothbore weapons are also much more ameniable to differing types of ammunition. It is much simpler to design a sabot round for a smoothbore then it is for a rifled weapon. I imagine much the same reasoning was applied to the design of the Maxim.

And no, conventional explosives does not mean "nuclear bombs" to the GTVA. You have to remember that though many of the missiles in FS1 certainly had nuclear-level yields, they made a specific point of mentioning the Harbinger was a nuclear weapon. Similarly they make a point of describing the Cyclops as "non-conventional warhead"; what that means is never specifically explained, but it could well be nuke too. So for that matter could be the Helios. It's never actually stated they're antimatter or some other exotic quantum doohickey.
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