[Kamikaze]

Posted by Charismatic

You yell at my ass for getting your fundamentals wrong, but yet you go on about wrong christian fundamentals. We beleive in healing by, A) God, supernatural means, physically, B) God, emotionally and internally, within ones mind\life, C) By Medicine and Doctors.

http://whydoesgodhateamputees.com/god5.htm <-- Poor amputees. Good thing that biomedical science might eventually solve their problems where prayer can't.

By the way, here's a little quiz problem for you folks (especially the Creationists):

"In 2004, Ohio farmers produced $820,000,000 of genetically modified soybeans. Such GM technologies depend on and provide strong support for which biological concept?"

A) Metaphasic interference
B) Descent from a common ancestor
C) Ecological succession
D) One-gene; one-enzyme
E) Endoplasmic reticulum


Answer key: http://science2.marion.ohio-state.edu/ohioscience/AnswerKey.pdf

[aldo_14]

hehehehe

The thing that sealed it for me was the fact that these massive distances in time work in both directions. For example, we know that in about 5 billion years time the Milky Way and M31 are going to collide. Admittedly, the effect of the collision will be minimal as far as we can tell, maybe 3-4 systems being effected in the entire galacy, according to current thinking, but it still makes me smile that God created his chosen people in a galaxy he's planning an enormous game of conkers with.

Imagine the size of the jar of vinegar!

[Flipside]

From the ads at the bottom of the page...

http://www.thercg.org/books/effai.pdf

ROFL They call this 'Evolution, Facts and Fallacies', and yet, withing the first 2 pages state that evolution is based on survival of the fittest. No self-respecting biology teacher would use that phrase to describe evolution, Darwin most certainly never did, it was coined by a reporter, not by a scientist.

Edit : Oh, and whilst they berate Evolution for being nothing more than a theory, apparently, the scientific theory of Biogenesis, which , according to them, disproves evolution, is irrefutable fact...

[vyper]

Its not the opposing side in this debate that infuriates me - its the existence of the debate in the first place; By its very nature the mere existence of this debate implies an acceptance of the notion that a religious belief is equal to a scientific argument.

[StratComm]

To be fair, it's not so much the existance of the question as it is the continuation of the debate in the face of knowledge that it's completely unfounded.  I don't mind the questioning because if it's covered even half-heartedly and listened to with an open mind then it can only lead to a better understanding of the correct position or at least a better understanding of what the established theory is and why.  It's the continuing ignorance and/or willingness to lie or argue with discredited sources that really gets under my skin.

[Flipside]

Problem is, a lot of ID supporters use a Jack Thompson school of thinking. They'll make a incredibly facetious claim and if scientists refute it then they are 'running scared', but if they say nothing then they are 'acknowledging defeat.'.

It's like that document I posted, I states at the start that science 'tries to hide behind incredibly confusing or misleading explanations'. What that actually means is 'what they said is too complex and we can't be bothered to go figure it out.'. Still makes me laugh that Evolution is a sham because its a complicated answer in their simple little worlds.

[StratComm]

I just wish we could take everyone who tries to present ID as science and prevent them from using any of the fruits of scientific endeavor.  No electricity, no phone, no transportation, and no modern medicine.  The only downside is that it would also bar their use of contraceptives, but something tells me that they aren't using them anyway.

[Kamikaze]

The only downside is that it would also bar their use of contraceptives

Contraceptives? What're those? Surely you mean abstinence.

[Kazan]

The only downside is that it would also bar their use of contraceptives

Contraceptives? What're those? Surely you mean abstinence.

abstinence? what's that 


 

[Ace]

I just wish we could take everyone who tries to present ID as science and prevent them from using any of the fruits of scientific endeavor.  No electricity, no phone, no transportation, and no modern medicine.  The only downside is that it would also bar their use of contraceptives, but something tells me that they aren't using them anyway.

There's some pretty low-tech contraceptives and abordificients

[Flipside]

The only downside is that it would also bar their use of contraceptives

Contraceptives? What're those? Surely you mean abstinence.

abstinence? what's that 


 

Very boring from what I remember...

[vyper]

I just wish we could take everyone who tries to present ID as science and prevent them from using any of the fruits of scientific endeavor.  No electricity, no phone, no transportation, and no modern medicine.  The only downside is that it would also bar their use of contraceptives, but something tells me that they aren't using them anyway.

There's some pretty low-tech contraceptives and abordificients

Kit Kat wrappers and pulling out at the last second don't count.

[Bobboau]

has char caught up yet?

[Bobboau]

so can I declaire victory now?

[Ace]

Flawresss Victollyyyy!

[watsisname]

Uh, you all realize that spam only makes Charismatic's job more difficult, right?

And we haven't won until he admits defeat.  As he said earlier, he likely won't be able to reply for a few more days.

[Bobboau]

when is he going to get back?
and if it drops off the front he'll probly forget.

[Edward Bradshaw]

You guys should check this out, its funny

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/04/the_quixotic_message_or_no_fre.php#more

[Mefustae]

Remember, Charis isn't a supporter of ID, he supports everything that ID says, but opposes how ID crossed out 'God' and wrote in 'Intelligent Designer'.

[karajorma]

when is he going to get back?
and if it drops off the front he'll probly forget.

Of course the real irony is that if instead of reading his creationist books and composing arguments for us he'd simply read The Selfish Gene instead he'd probably not have much to say in opposition to us.