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Re: More proof of evolution
Hey  m, you going to respond to the arguments now? Will you ever accept all your errors are actually errors?


 

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Re: More proof of evolution
There is a mountain of supporting evidence for creation and no credible evidence for evolutionism. You should be able to find that out on your own and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince any of you morons otherwise when you're so wrapped up in your own wilfull idiocy and unwilling to srtretch more neurons than it takes to look at the world and seek the simplest, most apparent explaination, or to parrot the opinions of other willfuil idiots around you.

Notice that Black Wolf actually bothered to post plenty of evidence for evolution. Evidence that you have pretty much chosen to ignore. You have yet to give any evidence of intelligent design, as opposed to trying to discredit evolution with BS arguments.
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Re: More proof of evolution
Wasn't ICR on that episode of Penn&Teller about this? jr2 should really watch it.

sence you brought it up
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ah! ICR is in there, the guy who thinks the grand canion is evidence for creation. :ha:
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we need more creationists here
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Bobboau needs to learn to use the edit button  :)

 

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they stoped responding I'm bored
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Re: More proof of evolution
There is a mountain of supporting evidence for creation and no credible evidence for evolutionism. You should be able to find that out on your own and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince any of you morons otherwise when you're so wrapped up in your own wilfull idiocy and unwilling to srtretch more neurons than it takes to look at the world and seek the simplest, most apparent explaination, or to parrot the opinions of other willfuil idiots around you.

If this is meant to be you parroting BW, you're doing a remarkably poor job of it. There is every evidence of evolution. Ever noticed that if you mix two different dogs, you come up with a mix between the two? Ever wondered why childrens' race is typically the same as their parents? Or why they even look like their parents? Why they may be able to contract conditions from the parents, eg poor eyesight or deafness?

If you've realized that, all you really need to do is follow it to its logical conclusion.

Not only that, but, yes thereis a mountain of credible evidence for evolutionism. There is not such for creation, because virtually none of the people who defend it understand evolution very well. There's an irony in that the major failing of the creationist side is that they have never really evolved their arguments to take into account new information, and the debunking of various misconceptions.
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Re: More proof of evolution
Not only that, but, yes thereis a mountain of credible evidence for evolutionism.

Please, please dont say evolutionISM:wtf:

 

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Sorry.  :nervous:
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There is a mountain of supporting evidence for creation and no credible evidence for evolutionism.

Prove it. So far you haven't provided a single piece of evidence for creationism dispite the fact that I've asked you to. All you've done so far is attack evolution.

This is because there is no evidence for creationism that can't be discredited within minutes.
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and the bible doesnt count as evidence.  any wannabe con man coulda written it.  at least science journals are peer-edited.
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Just to be an arse, I'll point out the Bible's been pretty heavily peer-edited too. Several large councils were convened to do just that.

And, of course, if you think the Bible's scary, you should see some of the rejected bits.
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Re: More proof of evolution
I'd say this is pretty on topic... it might have been posted some time in the last 25 pages, I don't really know and I don't really care enough to go look.




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Re: More proof of evolution
Haha! Gary Trudeau is the man.
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Re: More proof of evolution
Oh my goodness!  NOOOO!!!

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Ever wondered why childrens' race is typically the same as their parents? Or why they even look like their parents? Why they may be able to contract conditions from the parents, eg poor eyesight or deafness? (quote from WMCoolmon)

You mean... harmful mutations stay?!! *gasp!*

Hate to say this again, but... footshot.  As a matter of fact, I had been going to bring that up my own, but you decided to make it easier for me.

And dogs being mixed results in... dogs.

And BTW... of COURSE

Humorous thought: According to you guys, Noah would have had no trouble with having all the animals on the Ark... just bring a couple amoebae and watch 'em evolve!  :lol:

Oh look! viruses mutate and result in... hardier bacteria.

and the bible doesnt count as evidence.  any wannabe con man coulda written it.  at least science journals are peer-edited.

Then how come it predicts specific events (e.g. the destruction of Tyre; Alexander the Great's empire's 4-way divide, etc.) even though it was written hundreds of years before the events took place? :ha:

What are the chances of THAT happening?  :wtf:

Before you say "That was written after the fact!" look up the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And of course the "scientific community" rejects creation.  It's made up of people like... like... well, gee, I seem to have forgotten who they remind me of.   

The bit about Damadian not being the only person who invented the MRI?

He invented the MRI.  (He has the patent.)The first MRI images were of his assistant (Damadian himself was too... um... large).  Others copied his work.  Guess why he was passed over for the Nobel Prize.

(In case you can't figure it out, it was because he's a young earth creationist.)

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Re: More proof of evolution
This thread is still going...hot damn...

25 pages and I still haven't seen any "Creationism is right because X". Although the mudslinging is making it seem like a political discussion.

 

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Re: More proof of evolution
Oh look! viruses mutate and result in... hardier bacteria.

Viruses and bacteria are two different entities. But bacteria do adapt, they evolve when anti-biotics are used. Quite simply really, the ones that survive the anti-biotics pass on their resistance. So 'hardier bacteria' is evolution, which is generally why we've more recently been seeing the artificial distrinction of 'micro' and 'macro' evolution due to the fact that 'microevolution' is no longer debatable.

...as for "harmful mutations staying" keep in mind that this can be due to recessive genes which take longer to be removed via selective pressures than dominant genes. Similarly something such as poor eyesight or deafness may not necessarily be lethal which also adds to why those genes have not been removed.

When dealing with tool using species such as humans, they become even less of a liability. Someone isn't going to be eaten because they're nearsighted, so those genes are passed on.

It's all common sense really.
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You mean... harmful mutations stay?!! *gasp!*

Yes, recessive negative mutations can remain within a genotype.  In order for a mutation to be selected against, it has to be expressed.  If it's recessive, then it's only exprecessed in certain cases, such as the gene coming from both parents.

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And dogs being mixed results in... dogs.

Well, new phenotypes of dogs.  Albeit hybridisation is really different from mutation (and selection leading to evolution) -in any case.

I mean, by that attitude, there's no such thing as a doberman or a terrier, they're all dogs.  No such thing as persian or siamese, they're all cats.  Etc.

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Humorous thought: According to you guys, Noah would have had no trouble with having all the animals on the Ark... just bring a couple amoebae and watch 'em evolve! 

Um, no.  Well, not exactly.  Evolution is a product of environment and a lot of time, so anything evolving on an ark (which as we know was actually impossible to build anyways) would take both millions of years or so, and be of a body type perfectly adapted to...live on an ark.

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Oh look! viruses mutate and result in... hardier bacteria.

Yes, that is a classic example of evolution.  Bacteria mutates to have a resistance to a certain strain of medicine, for example; that mutation has a selected advantage, ergo it is able to reproduce into a new resistant form.  Classic example of mutation and selection.

(NB: viruses do not mutate to bacteria; both are different type of organism)

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Then how come it predicts specific events (e.g. the destruction of Tyre; Alexander the Great's empire's 4-way divide, etc.) even though it was written hundreds of years before the events took place?

You mean because it's been liberally interpreted and translated to do so?  Why don't you quote the passages, then? Show us exactly why this couldn't, ooh, have been translated and read to fit known history, ala Nostradamus.

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And of course the "scientific community" rejects creation.  It's made up of people like... like... well, gee, I seem to have forgotten who they remind me of.   

Obviously you've forgotten, given that you clearly have no understanding of basic scientific principles such as evidence-based conclusions and investigation.

Let me remind you.  The scientific community is the community of people who have spent many, many years adhering to the scientific method of research and evidence gathering, of peer-reviewed results, and of only drawing conclusions that fit with reproducible evidence.  In other words, the same basic principles that have led to just about every major advancement in the last century - plus - of human history (and that's putting it mildly).   Seeing as you reject that, you might as well reject all of it's results and go back to living in a cave believing the world is flat.

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The bit about Damadian not being the only person who invented the MRI?

He invented the MRI.  (He has the patent.)The first MRI images were of his assistant (Damadian himself was too... um... large).  Others copied his work.  Guess why he was passed over for the Nobel Prize.

Read what I posted previously, and read up on the history of maghnetic resonance imaging.

In any case, he's not qualified to make evolutionary statements any more than I am.  Less so, because he's a YEC and that is comprehensively disproven by science.
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Re: More proof of evolution
Is this really the best you can do m? I've challenged you twice to prove why creationism is right yet you do nothing but take potshots at evolution. Potshots so easily deflected that you're simply wasting your time and proving that you are completely ignorant about what evolution actually is.

But even if you succeed who says you're right? The Hindus or Buddhists could be the ones who are correct even if you somehow manage to come across a real flaw in the evolutionary theory amongst your flailing about.

Yet again I'm asking you to prove why you are right not why I am wrong.
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