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What do you think about Steam (the one from Valve)?

It's good
It's bad
It's a STEAMing pile of ****

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Offline Kosh

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Your opinion on steam
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Offline Ghostavo

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Re: Your opinion on steam
When I install a game I should be able to install it alone, not bundled with a program that serves no purpose whatsoever.
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Re: Your opinion on steam
While I don't think it's exactly GOOD, I think it is a step in the right direction. What I mean by this is that gaming is moving to a direct dilvery system is an extremely good thing. Here we are with such a huge penetration of boradband internet, and people clammoring for games and content RIGHT NOW. Things like Steam also help cut down on the price of games by eliminating the middle man. Be it the retailer or a publisher. It also streamlines a way to deliever a patch to a customer (albiet the patches on Stem **** things up more than they fix them) instead of the customer searching aimlessly for it.

In short, I love the idea but the implementation of it blows.
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Re: Your opinion on steam
Where's the "It's a STEAMing Pile" option?
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Re: Your opinion on steam
In short, I love the idea but the implementation of it blows.

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Offline brozozo

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Re: Your opinion on steam
While I don't think it's exactly GOOD, I think it is a step in the right direction. What I mean by this is that gaming is moving to a direct dilvery system is an extremely good thing. Here we are with such a huge penetration of boradband internet, and people clammoring for games and content RIGHT NOW. Things like Steam also help cut down on the price of games by eliminating the middle man. Be it the retailer or a publisher. It also streamlines a way to deliever a patch to a customer (albiet the patches on Stem **** things up more than they fix them) instead of the customer searching aimlessly for it.

In short, I love the idea but the implementation of it blows.

My thoughts exactly.

 

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Re: Your opinion on steam
I prefer condensation, myself.

 

Offline Prophet

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Re: Your opinion on steam
While downloading games online (legally) is good. I want my games in a confortable pile of DVDs in the corner next to my rig. And I want to be able to reinstall my games anytime I want without telling everyone about it via some rotten "activation" or other dumbass verification thing.
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Offline Fineus

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Re: Your opinion on steam
I voted "it's bad".

Like others, I want a hard copy of the game. If everything goes tits up I really don't want to be looking at several weeks re-downloading software just to get back on my feet.

I also don't like the drawn out authentication process and the necessity of having Steam running whenever you want to play a Steam product (even if you own the CD). This step makes me feel like a criminal for owning a game I did pay money for - and the only result is that I want to look everywhere for a crack or way around Steam running when I want to play the games I paid for.

I do appreciate that piracy is a "problem" for developers and publishers these days, but it shouldn't be the end user who feels the kick-back of that by being treated like a criminal.

 

Offline starfox

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As for my opinion on Steam, Prophet here sums it all up pretty nicely....
I want to see the covers & and "feel" the product itself. As with some releases, plenty of extras are packed along with the game itself, music cd:s, maps, or anything that is considered extra. Hell, I want to take some and go trough the manual.

The re/installing is also one thing, I want them to be carried out without "activation" or "verification"
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Offline Fury

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Re: Your opinion on steam
You can backup your Steam's data folder or just one game's data files and burn those on a CD or DVD. In fact, Steam has built-in backup feature, although I prefer simply copy the data folder. And I rather use Steam than have my system infected with some Starforce crap.

  

Offline aldo_14

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Re: Your opinion on steam
My opinion;

My slightly more illustrated opinion;
I don't like Steam.  It treats the customer like a criminal; you have to ask permission to play a game even after buying the physical media (and let's not pretend online-verification is any less crackable than CD-keys), and effectively you're paying to 'lease' the game from Valve; it's tied to a (in the EULA anyways) non-transferable user-account which means you only 'own' the software so long as Valve supports obtaining and activating it, prevents you from being able to re-sell  a good you own as second hand, and leaves you dependent upon memorising your password and the activation server working should you wish to uninstall/reinstall the progam.

Also, it's an unecesary program, which sits under HL2 and uses up resources it simply doesn't and shouldn't need to.  I don't need a piece of memory-hogging communications middleware to play a single player FPS!  I'm uncomfortable with it being able to detect and add other Valve games, because the idea of a program with internet access doing so seems dangerous even if it's not malicious in intent.

Although one of the benefits of Steam is the provision of patches / updates, in my experience this doesn't work well in practice.  I've had frequent errors using it to try and perform (lengthy) patches, having to repeatedly restart the download process; this is far inferior to having the option to download patches in the 'normal' way.  Also in usability terms Steam is a bit like a trojan; whilst they belatedly added an ability to stop it connecting, if you update it in any way it seems to automatically reset itself to start on system startup, even when explicitly against the settings I've gave it.  That is very sloppy IMO.

Steam has stopped me from re-installing HL2, because IMO it's not worth the hassle to do so.  For me, that illustrates the key problem.  It (digital distribution) is perhaps a positive move, but not implemented like this.  albiet it's worth noting that - and this is established in UK law, although i don't have the exact citation handy - digitally provided software has a far lower obligation with regards to quality, support etc than that provided on physical media.

Now, I've actually praised Stardocks equivalent before.  On a functional level, it's not that far removed.  But IMO it has a few key advancements, the key ones being that it doesn't need to chug away in the background when a game runs, it doesn't decide to scan your PC for other matching games (AFAIK?) and that you don't need an internet connection to play, for example, GalCiv2 (just a CD key).   Plus it seems more reliable, less resource intensive and is IMO far more user friendly.  The one problem it does share, I think, is the reliance upon a central server (albeit to DL updates rather than play) and the inability to manually download game patches.  But it's interesting for me how 2 essentially functionally identical approaches have given me vastly different experiences.  Steam was negative, Stardock positive.

 

Offline Ghostavo

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Re: Your opinion on steam
It is worth to note that using the patches argument in favour of steam is not an argument.

Autopatchers can do that and they are far less annoying. Look at NWN and StarCraft for example.
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Offline DaBrain

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Re: Your opinion on steam
It is worth to note that using the patches argument in favour of steam is not an argument.

Autopatchers can do that and they are far less annoying. Look at NWN and StarCraft for example.

Ah, I was just about to use StarCraft as example... You beat me. ;)


Well, Steam is useful for updates... although I never had a problem with downloading a patch. With the multitude of Hl² versions, it's impossible to play on LANs. If you're one "patch" behind, you can play without getting an update.

And why do they abuse the system to annoy the customer with Warez checks everytime?  The warez versions probably don't have this check, so where is the point of this?

I can't play if I got some LAN/internet problems... this sucks. Steam is not ment to be useful for the customers. It's ment to control the user.

Blizzard did this so much better with StarCraft (think about how old SC is!). This is a feature that is ment for the users, rather than a really annoying anti copy check.

Can't they protect their software in a way that is not this annyoing for the user? There must be a better way. I guess they just don't care.
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Offline aldo_14

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Re: Your opinion on steam
I think it's a bit like movies/DVDs.  say you buy - for a specific example - the BSG DVDs.  You plug them into your DVD player.  And then you have to sit through 5 MINUTES OF ****ING UNSKIPPABLE  ANTI PIRACY ADS and the manufacturers logo.  I don't give a **** if it's illegal to publicly screen this is Australia!  Just let me watch the bloody DVD!

Anyways, there's absolutely no point when the legit copy is worse than the illegitamate one.  We already have the RIAA and MPAA seeking to punish legitimate users for other peoples' piracy (and this bleeds through to the UK as well, so I'm affected by it), the last thing we need is game developers to take the same approach.

 

Offline Fury

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It is kind of funny though, here we are extremely pissed at companies who try to protect their products. Are the companies really at fault here, they are only trying to get profits from their products after all. So who are to blame then? The people who get pirated copies of course. I am very much certain that there is not a single person who has posted in this thread and has not played a pirated game in the last 6 months. :lol:

We pirated games, companies developed different copy protections, we still pirate games just because copy protections are too annoying to buy a legit copy. It is a never ending cycle until people stop pirating products, which is not going to happen. :p

 

Offline IPAndrews

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Re: Your opinion on steam
If you guys all hate Steam so much, don't buy anything else from Valve. Simple enough solution. You can complain about Steam all you want but I can guarantee that Valve don't give a rat's ass. Hit their profits on the other hand and they'll suddenly prick up their ears and start listening to what you have to say. Someone needs to set up a gamers' union ;).
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Offline Fury

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That pretty much goes with all developer houses, and more so with publishers. :nod:

 

Offline aldo_14

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It is kind of funny though, here we are extremely pissed at companies who try to protect their products. Are the companies really at fault here, they are only trying to get profits from their products after all. So who are to blame then? The people who get pirated copies of course. I am very much certain that there is not a single person who has posted in this thread and has not played a pirated game in the last 6 months. :lol:

I've not.  not in a very long time, actually.

 

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my opinion on steam?..

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