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Offline Cobra

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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
Invisible death?

*bad guys see a bomb trail* OH SHI--- *BOOOOM*
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Offline Polpolion

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*cough cough* freelancer

 

Offline AlphaOne

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I dodnt remember freelancer having such stealth bombs..or am i wrong?
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Offline TrashMan

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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
Comon logic dictates - weapon and armor technolgoy both advance - but weapon tech is ALLWAYS one step ahead.

You'll never be able to make something so heaviyl armored that you can't take it out. The best you can do is to make something so heaviyl armored, that only a few select weapons can take it out... And if your enemy doesn't hapen to have them around at the time - hehehe :D

In WW2 most guns/bombs couldn't hurt a battleship. You needed really big ones to deliver the hurt (example - the Japanese super torpedo - 600mm). A Bismarck would laugh at anything a destroyer thros at him (except for heavy torps..if he has them). A Iowa/Yamato would laugh at Bismarck. But they all can be hurt by heavy weapons...hell think of nukes if everything else fails.

Design allso comes in question..and element of surprise.. Triple-layerd hulls, closed bulkheads, flooded ammo chambers - they all ensure a ship will remain aflot and shooting.

The HMS sheffiled didn't have much in terms of armor (today ships generally don't...120mm is the biggest armor on a modern warship) nad t didn't really expect the missiile.
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Offline AlphaOne

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Since when is the Bismark to be laughd at? sure it was smaller then the Iowa/Yamato but it had very good powerfull cannons. Also it had a decent speed and a very good arnour plating. Oh and because of its radar gided cannon fire it would of probably creamed Iowa/Yamato. Acuraci it the name of the game. It's no use having huge guns if u cant hit the enemy with them.
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Offline ilya

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*cough cough* freelancer

Actually Wing Commander.... Skipper Missile anyone?
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Offline AlphaOne

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ohh yea the missile that kept cloaking itself and was almost imposible to take down. Oh well thats why we have CAP patrols and Alpha1
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Offline ilya

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Yea, but shoot 50 of those missiles and no CAP patrol will save you.
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Offline AlphaOne

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I dont think they had that many cloaking missiles around in the first place. they must be very expensive and used as well a sort of secret weapon.
Oh and if the cap patrols dont save me then alpha1 will save cuz....well hes the best!
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Offline Gregster2k

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It'd be kinda amusing if someone coded FS2 to have an alternate "SimFreeSpace" mode, where ALL capital ships can have their own processing AIs that think, adapt, and learn on the fly in a mission (yes, make their OWN waypoints, launch fighters at whim, etc) without even being given SEXP instructions... --- would allow people to just dump a bunch of capships and fighters into a mission and play it and whomp, you got a playable mission. And you could save the AI between missions, so that what a ship has learned from one mission will carry over to the next. People could "train" default profiles for the capships (intercepting bombs, etc) to give as templates.

*drools at the impossibility* I don't even want to think about what kind of CPU overhead that would take, though. >_>

Still, it would be scary as hell to be flying a mission where the enemy is completely unpredictable in the sense that its AI will adapt and learn just like a real battlefield commander...all the SEXPs in the world could not possibly defeat a single Lucifer class if it had this kind of brain in it. Cept maybe self-destruct.

Yeah, I'm nuts. >_>

Of course, given such an AI, all hostiles would jump out the moment the mission starts. 8)
« Last Edit: May 20, 2006, 05:03:59 am by Gregster2k »

 

Offline ilya

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You can make it so they can't jump out...

Reminds me of when LotR was coming out as a movie, they were building the AI for the big battles (forgot what it's called), and when they told a small group of orcs to attack a huge group of good guys, the orcs just turned around and ran away. They had to code them not to run away then :lol:
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Since when is the Bismark to be laughd at? sure it was smaller then the Iowa/Yamato but it had very good powerfull cannons. Also it had a decent speed and a very good arnour plating. Oh and because of its radar gided cannon fire it would of probably creamed Iowa/Yamato. Acuraci it the name of the game. It's no use having huge guns if u cant hit the enemy with them.

The Iowa had 406 mm guns (alltough it's penetration power equaled a 460mm shell), the Yamato had 460mm ones.
A armor on a battlehips mirrors it's cannon caliber (so between 406 and 460mm on the heavies armed parts of it)

the Bismarck had 360mm guns and armor. Thus, ANY shot from either hte Iowa or Yamato would breach his armor. Shots from the Bismarck would be mostly harmless, as al lthe areas where the armor is thinner are not critical ones.

Oh - did I mention that the gun range allso equals it's caliber (around 40km for the Iowa) and that the Iowa had the best targeting system ever?

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Offline Polpolion

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I dodnt remember freelancer having such stealth bombs..or am i wrong?

Well they had cloaking fighters, gunboats, and battleships so I thought they could have cloaking missiles. :nervous:

 

Offline AlphaOne

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well how should i put this in wwII german battleships had the mos sophisticated aiming/targeting sistem of any existnt warships. Also i doubght that a 360mm shell wouldnt penetrate the armour of the yowa. I serously doubt that!
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Offline Mars

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That's total BS, the Germans still depended on human done calculations to fire off of shells, just like everyone else in WWII, plus they didn't have things like Harpoon anti-ship missiles (or any other guided missiles for that matter) basically, no, they really, really didn't. The 360mm shell might penetrate, but probably not to badly, whereas the nine 406mm cannons would oblitherate the Bismark very, vey quickly.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2006, 07:20:30 pm by Mars »

 

Offline AlphaOne

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are you even listening to what you are sayng??? human done calculation's? And wtf is this about Harpoon anti-ship missile?? Hello they barely had jet fighters..and radar....wake up dude you are definatl;y out there. were talking about WWII.In wwII the germans had the most advanced surface fleet of the war..well till it was sunk but not before they wrecked havoc in the allied shiping lanes and suck several famous warships on theyr own.

The germans had radar guided tageting and firing sistems.  they had a far greater acuraci then anithing else the allies could throw at them.
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The German navy was quite competitive at the start of WWII, but failed to evolve effectively, near the middle of the war, the Japanese and US Pacific fleets were much more advanced than that of Germany (although it could still easily harm convoys, usually with U-boats. Very few battleships had computers, the ones that eventually did were Pacific Fleet US Battleships. Although the Bismark may well have had radar (can't find any proof of this) the ballistic trajectories of the shells would still have to be calculated, usually by hand.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2006, 07:55:55 pm by Mars »

 

Offline AlphaOne

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actualy there is no actual battleship or warshipp for that matter that had computers on them! You are making a huge confusion around thip point. This is wwII they did not have computers on warships. Also because they could track a ships movements in detalil so to speak they used the same radar sistem to actualy target the guns. by  very crude sistem some might call it a precursor of the actual computer that was invented several years later.
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Okay, misconception on my part, I thought they crammed a unibac type computer into a BB at some point, obviously I was wrong, but that's not my point. I think this whole argument is a misunderstanding on my part, when you said:

"well how should i put this in wwII german battleships had the mos sophisticated aiming/targeting sistem of any existnt warships. Also i doubght that a 360mm shell wouldnt penetrate the armour of the yowa. I serously doubt that!"

I thought you where saying

"WWII German battleships had more sophisticated aiming/targeting systems of any existing warships."

I think now that this wasn't what you were trying to say; sorry.

 

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actualy that was also a because of mi bad enlghis pelling ! I should of been more precise in mi arguement. no harm done!
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