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Offline Fury

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I sense negative vibes from you. ;) As prices are still officially unconfirmed, it's hard to say either way but it has been cited from several sources that Vista is supposed to be cheaper than equivalent versions of Windows XP, still it's not confirmed.

And like with previous Microsoft products, students can buy Vista even cheaper, non-students should still have the option to buy Vista as an OEM-product. If you are unfamiliar with the term, you can buy Windows cheaper than retail if you buy it along with some internal hardware that is required to run a PC, such as an IDE or SATA cable, hard-drive, video card, etc. Of course, when you buy Windows this way as an OEM-product, Microsoft won't provide free technical support.

 

Offline Ulala

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As great as technical support is from those who english is their second or third language... no thanks.
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Offline Nuke

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another thing that concerns me is that the licens might not let you migrate the software to a new computer. i dont want to install it on this computer to find out its illegal to install it on my next. i want to be able to install it on as many computers as i want, provided i only have it installed on one computer at any given time.
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There're already some games on the way which will require Vista, and at least one is on my shopping list.

Looks like I'll be 'acquiring' Vista earlier than planned.
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Offline ZylonBane

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Any game requiring Vista within the next two or three years is just sticking a gun in its mouth and pulling the trigger. Heck, a lot of new games still run fine under Windows 98! Smart game developers acknowledge the installed base.
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Offline Fury

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Games like Crytek's Crysis will have both DX9 and DX10 API, Halo 2 will be excelusively DX10 to promote Vista sales. I don't know any other game that has been announced as DX10-only.

 

Offline Kosh

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I sense negative vibes from you.  As prices are still officially unconfirmed, it's hard to say either way but it has been cited from several sources that Vista is supposed to be cheaper than equivalent versions of Windows XP, still it's not confirmed.

Windows has always been expensive. That's why 90%+ of the computers in China have pirated versions pre-loaded when you buy them: Windows is simply too expensive.
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Offline Mongoose

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Any game requiring Vista within the next two or three years is just sticking a gun in its mouth and pulling the trigger. Heck, a lot of new games still run fine under Windows 98! Smart game developers acknowledge the installed base.
Yup.  You'd think that developers would realize that the PC gaming market is small enough as it is.  Do they really think that forcing their customers to upgrade immediately is going to help reverse that trend?

Regarding the whole Vista question, as far as I'm concerned, XP's doing everything I need an OS to do.  Unless something really huge comes up, I don't see myself upgrading anywhere in the near future.

  

Offline ZylonBane

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Speaking of upgrading-- I'm about to finally bite the bullet and ditch Win98 entirely, since new video cards don't offer Win98 driver support anymore. I've been running a dual-boot system-- Win98 for games, Win2K for stuff that requires it. I've heard that XP has better legacy gaming support than 2K. Any truth to that?
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Offline Fury

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Legacy support is better but only marginally, if a game won't work on W2k, there's a high chance it won't work on XP either.

 

Offline Cyker

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Speaking of upgrading-- I'm about to finally bite the bullet and ditch Win98 entirely, since new video cards don't offer Win98 driver support anymore. I've been running a dual-boot system-- Win98 for games, Win2K for stuff that requires it. I've heard that XP has better legacy gaming support than 2K. Any truth to that?

No truth whatsoever.
The only major thing is that XP has the Application Compatibility tab, but this can be added to Windows 2000 quite easily (It's in a folder on the install CD IIRC).

If you mean DOS games, then both are much worse than Win98, but we have DOSBox which works with almost every DOS game worth playing now ;)
It also gives us one thing that we can't otherwise have: SoundBlaster and GUS compatibility. I really wish Creative Labs were not such a crap company; They could have easily kept ISA AWE-32 support in the Live! and Audigy cards...
And if Gravis hadn't died Creative wouldn't have such a monopoly on sound cards now! IF if if....


For Win32-based games, both XP and 2k are the same - Both can't play Glide games on a Voodoo2 properly, and stuff that is written a bit too close to bare-metal (Shock2, MW3, DF2: Jedi Knight, Project Eden and XvT are some that spring to mind) either won't install, won't run or will run equally weird in both.

The same hacks that you can use to get them to work in XP also work in 2k.

My current hope is that WINE reaches a level where it can emulate Win98 pretty well, then I can drop Win98 and just dual-boot Gentoo and 2k instead of all three.
I only stopped quad-booting a couple of years ago since DosBOX became mature enough to run stuff! ;)

The ONLY reason to get Vista is hardware support, but that's the thing that pisses me off about all versions of Windows:
Win98 is perfectly capable of handling things like IPv6, NTFS, USB Mass Storage devices etc - It's just that MS won't write the drivers for it to try and force you to upgrade to the new version, even if you don't want all the crap that comes with it!

This is what I've liked about Linux; You don't have to re-install a completely different system just to get, say, WiFi support or USBirewire3941zzalpha support.

IMHO, Microsoft should turned into public company - I've always held the belief that infrastructure should NOT be in the hands of a private for-profit company.
Things like utilities and comms for instance. In the UK, a lot of our public services were privatised, and it's been disasterous - Quality of service has dropped like a rock as the companies chase profits and shareholders above all else,
Either that or they be forced to open up the API so that other firms can write their own versions of Windows without being sued up the ying-yang.

 

Offline Col. Fishguts

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AFAIK, wine has made big progress in D3D compatibility. None of the new fancy pixel shader stuff from DirectX9 yet, but DirectX 5/7 stuff should work now. At least I've heard of people playing WoW with wine.
Although for the latest games with full graphical bells&whistles CeDeGa is still the only way for Linux users.
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Offline IceFire

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Although Windows is expensive I've recently thought about things a slightly different way.  If Vista has the longevity that Windows XP did then consider that it'll be another 5-6 years between Vista's release and the next product (Blackcomb?) and then consider that every Mac OS release sells for about a 1/3rd of the average Windows package and that Windows gets free updates throughout its product lifespan including service packs then ultimately you're getting a decent deal out of it.  I agree that the cost is too high but its not rediculously out of the ballpark considering the time.  I got my WinXP Home Upgrade package that has lasted me for a good long while at around maybe $150 Canadian and that was back in....oh I can't even remember...not that long after XP came out.  Its been a pretty good deal.
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Offline neoterran

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Windows Vienna is the codname for the release of windows after Vista.
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Originally Vienna was going to be the next OS after XP, like Vista which was momentarily codenamed LongHorn, Vienna was codenamed Blackcomb, it seems that it will be released between 2009-2012 since Vista took it's place, here is the brief article from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vienna

 

Offline Mars

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Then there's Linux which allows you to get it and update it for free (except for the time spent learning it)

 

Offline ZylonBane

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Windows Vienna is the codname for the release of windows after Vista.
Like the sausage, eh? Now that's fitting.
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Originally, internal sources pitched Vienna as being not just a major revision of Windows, but a complete departure from the way we have typically thought about interacting with a computer.

Suuuure. I'll believe that when Satan starts buying antifreeze.

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Projects such as GroupBar and LayoutBar are expected to make an appearance, allowing users to more effectively manage and keep track of their applications and documents while in use, and a new way of launching applications is expected—among other ideas, Microsoft is investigating a pie menu-type circular interface, similar in function to the dock in Mac OS X.

Yup. Sounds like more GUI gimmickery to me. Changing the shape of the GUI is not revolutionary.
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Maybe the "Start" will be replaced with a "Sausage" bar, whatever that means, here is a preview on MS product:



More yummy than any other OS  :p

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Actually Vienna is the name of Austria's capital city, from there the name of the sausage...

 

Offline ZylonBane

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Projects such as GroupBar and LayoutBar are expected to make an appearance, allowing users to more effectively manage and keep track of their applications and documents while in use, and a new way of launching applications is expected—among other ideas, Microsoft is investigating a pie menu-type circular interface, similar in function to the dock in Mac OS X.

Yup. Sounds like more GUI gimmickery to me. Changing the shape of the GUI is not revolutionary.
Actually, human factors research indicates that pie menus are significantly easier to navigate than traditional linear ones. Probably because the mouse transit distance is equal for all options. Downside is that it's not easy to cram all available options into a circle.
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