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Offline Wild Fragaria

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Any one here has twin sibling?  By the way, I think the proposal is pretty ****ty.

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Nature News  Published online: 20 May 2006; | doi:10.1038/news060515-19
 
A diet of milk could bring twins


Eating milk and other dairy products could increase a woman's chance of having twins, a US doctor is proposing, based on a study of vegan women.

The rate of twin births in the United States rose by more than 75% between 1980 and 2003. Some of this can be explained by the use of fertility treatments, which ups the risk of multiple births. But that can't explain all of the jump, researchers say. Bearing twins is more risky for both mother and child than having a single baby, so scientists want to know what's causing the rise.

Gary Steinman of the Long Island Jewish Medical Center in New Hyde Park, New York, carried out a simple comparison: he gathered together childbearing records for more than 1,000 vegan women who do not eat any animal products. He calculated that vegans were around five times less likely to bear twins than omnivorous women or vegetarians who eat dairy food. His study is published in the Journal of Reproductive Medicine1.

Steinman suggests that the difference in the rate of twin production boils down to the difference in diet. He suggests that animal-product foodstuffs, in particular dairy foods, could boost the production of a protein called insulin-like growth factor (IGF) in women. This could promote the release of eggs by the ovary, so that two are more likely to be fertilized at the same time. There has been an increased use of growth hormones in dairy cows, he says, which may have had an impact on this.

Although the study is preliminary, Steinman points to other evidence to back up his idea. Some research has shown that vegan women's levels of IGF are lower than those of other women2; another suggested that the rate of twin production is higher in countries that consume more milk3.

The hypothesis is interesting, says Paul Haggerty who studies nutrition, fertility and disease at the Rowett Research Institute in Aberdeen, UK, but there are other reasons that vegan women might bear twins less frequently, he points out. Milk-drinking women could tend to be fatter or better nourished - and heavier women are also more likely to bear twins. Alternatively, there might be other nutrients that vegan women lack.

It is premature for women to change their diet in order to decrease their risk of having twins, Haggerty says: "There are a number of loose ends here."

Twins tend to run in families, showing that the chance of having them is partly determined by our genes. Older women also bear more twins, so the rise in older mothers, as well as fertility treatments, is pushing up the number of twins being produced.

The notion that diet may play a role is a relatively new one. Other studies have hinted that what we eat could affect twin production. Haggerty published a study earlier this month showing that higher levels of the B vitamin folic acid increases the likelihood of a twin birth among women undergoing in vitro fertilization4, perhaps because the vitamin increases the chance or two embryos surviving.

Pinpointing the nutrients that are most important in producing twins could help stem the rise in twin births. There is nothing women can do about their genetic make-up, but "you can do something about diet," Haggarty says.

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You can't make a topic called "Twin Peaks" and then have no boobs. It's just not cricket.
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Amazing what diet can do :)

My mother apparently didn't drink much milk, as while I have a brother, we're not twins and are in fact like night and day. I'm blonde, he's got dark hair, I've got blue-green eyes, he's got brown eyes, I'm lightly built, he's (kinda) heavily built, he goes instantly brown when exposed to the slightest smidge of sunlight, I take a full week to tan just slightly, it goes on and on. See us together, and you'd never think we were related :p About the only things we share are height (well, I do have 2cm on him), shoe size, and taste in movies...

Oh, and an entirely unhealthy interest in fast cars neither of us will ever be able to afford, but I think that's a pretty common condition ;)
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Seems like cart before the horse science to me. There are a ton of reasons why vegan women don't have twins including the fact that their body knows damn well that their undernourished, calcium deficient hips would crack under the strain :)
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You can't make a topic called "Twin Peaks" and then have no boobs. It's just not cricket.

Well, it's a boob related topic.  Well, dairy --> mating --> babies --> breast milk --> boobs.  See it all links up perfectly :P

Amazing what diet can do :)

My mother apparently didn't drink much milk, as while I have a brother, we're not twins and are in fact like night and day. I'm blonde, he's got dark hair, I've got blue-green eyes, he's got brown eyes, I'm lightly built, he's (kinda) heavily built, he goes instantly brown when exposed to the slightest smidge of sunlight, I take a full week to tan just slightly, it goes on and on. See us together, and you'd never think we were related :p About the only things we share are height (well, I do have 2cm on him), shoe size, and taste in movies...

Oh, and an entirely unhealthy interest in fast cars neither of us will ever be able to afford, but I think that's a pretty common condition ;)

You sound like a pretty good looking boy  :D

 

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Well, it's a boob related topic.  Well, dairy --> mating --> babies --> breast milk --> boobs.  See it all links up perfectly :P

Don't encourage him!

You sound like a pretty good looking boy  Big grin

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Well, it's a boob related topic.  Well, dairy --> mating --> babies --> breast milk --> boobs.  See it all links up perfectly :P

Don't encourage him!

You sound like a pretty good looking boy  Big grin

Don't encourage him!

Are you two encouraged?  Maybe I should speak in public more often ;7

 

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You sound like a pretty good looking boy
Except for the fact that I mostly turn into various shades of red rather than brown during the summer months :p And when I said lightly built, I meant it - I'm 1.84 and only weigh about 65kg, so not exactly a muscle man here... whereas my brother is at about 80kg. Granted he's not a muscle man either, but he's just normal instead of a lightweight like me. Kills my beer drinking ability too, 3 bottles and I'm visibly drunk :( Though on the plus side, at least getting drunk is cheaper.
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Except for the fact that I mostly turn into various shades of red rather than brown during the summer months :p And when I said lightly built, I meant it - I'm 1.84 and only weigh about 65kg, so not exactly a muscle man here... whereas my brother is at about 80kg. Granted he's not a muscle man either, but he's just normal instead of a lightweight like me. Kills my beer drinking ability too, 3 bottles and I'm visibly drunk :( Though on the plus side, at least getting drunk is cheaper.

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It gets spookier... my parents worked for IBM in England for 3 years prior to me being born :p

Well, 2 years prior to me being born, so guess it's not that spooky.
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Maybe you do have a twin after all .... seperated at birth :drevil:
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damn it, i thought this thread was about titties :D
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Offline Wild Fragaria

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Seems like cart before the horse science to me. There are a ton of reasons why vegan women don't have twins including the fact that their body knows damn well that their undernourished, calcium deficient hips would crack under the strain :)

I don't think vegan women are physically fit enough to get pragnant, for the reasons you suggested and stated in the article.  And the study proposal of IGF in dairy being the factor of causing women having twins is probably going to make some people go wild and say "See!  I have told you organinc food is good for you!"  Then, we will start a whole discussion on how organic food is not so good for you again.

damn it, i thought this thread was about titties :D

Well, it started more closely related to boobies but it drifts into a topic about height and weight of men; and aldo finding his long lost twin  :D

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Except for the fact that I mostly turn into various shades of red rather than brown during the summer months :p And when I said lightly built, I meant it - I'm 1.84 and only weigh about 65kg, so not exactly a muscle man here... whereas my brother is at about 80kg. Granted he's not a muscle man either, but he's just normal instead of a lightweight like me. Kills my beer drinking ability too, 3 bottles and I'm visibly drunk :( Though on the plus side, at least getting drunk is cheaper.

I'm a light weight (1.66m & 47kg) but you're a super light weight.

I'm 1.93, 112kg, and weild a rather largish weapon of death. Oh, and I've never gotten drunk, either... of course, I've never really tried very hard...

Wow, how many sandwishes do you eat a day to keep up with the height and weight?

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Ehh, let's see if I still remember my conversions. *maths*

WF is around 5'4" and 103 lbs if I did that right.

Enough math for one day for me.. someone else can convert the rest.  :P
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Wait, the weight is correct, but I'm confused about the height.  My sis is 1.60 (I think) and she says she's 5'4" and there's a woman in the lab saying that she's 5'5" but I am still an inche taller than her :rolleyes:

 

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I hate you all. I'm 12st 13lbs.
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I'm just over 11 Stone and just under 6ft tall, have been since I was around 20 :)

 

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I hate you all. I'm 12st 13lbs.

What do you mean by 12st 13lbs?