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Offline ZmaN

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My Textbook Scans....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O2YP5NEL

Ok so you guys keep asking for my texbook scans so I did them tonight.

Click the link, wait 45 seconds, click out the ad that comes up, and view the files.

Happy now?
Well what do I do now?  Well Jack, you seem to have an act for blowing things up....

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Offline Turambar

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Re: My Textbook Scans....
well that certainly took long enough
lol
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Offline Turambar

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Re: My Textbook Scans....
lol, its a science book that says the bible is right

see, thats the real issue.  you take for granted that the bible is right, i require proof.  you can't just hand me a book and tell me that god wrote it.  i'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way

i'll show it to my girlfriend and we'll have a good laugh
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Offline ZmaN

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Re: My Textbook Scans....
lol, its a science book that says the bible is right

see, thats the real issue.  you take for granted that the bible is right, i require proof.  you can't just hand me a book and tell me that god wrote it.  i'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way

i'll show it to my girlfriend and we'll have a good laugh
fine by me....

There is proff in there.  make sure you read it thru.
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Offline Turambar

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Re: My Textbook Scans....
basically all that i'm seeing is attempts to debase evolutionary science.  unfortunately, pretty much all they do is say that theyre wrong, and say that god is right. 

they point out small inconsistencies in fossil records, and then say that when asked about it, evolutionist scientists are baffled.  i'm guessing they didnt give the guy time to respond.  however, i've seen little to prove that creationism is actually the truth.  i usually go with intelligence and reasoning when i pick theories.  it takes a lot more intelligence and reasoning to piece together the history of life over millions of years by using small fragments of fossils and imprints than it does to stand back, say all the evidence is worthless, and say that god is responsible for everything.

i'll keep reading i guess (i dont have much better to do right now)
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Offline Polpolion

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see, thats the real issue.  you take for granted that the bible is right, i require proof.  you can't just hand me a book and tell me that god wrote it.  i'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way

But God DIDN'T write the Bible. The Bible consists of the Old testament, written by a whole bunch of random writings compiled together, and the New Testament, written by the twelve Apostles.

So you see, all God did was create everything that happend in the bible... and... umm... my entire argument just exploded.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2006, 10:30:22 pm by thesizzler »

 

Offline Deepblue

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Question: Does it really matter how humans came into existance?

Besides can't creationism and evolution coexist seeing as "a day in heaven is like unto a thousand years" (meaning much, much longer). Furthermore, unless I'm mistaken, the days of creation follow the same general path of evolution.

 

Offline Deepblue

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Um, well, I just read the first page...

Holy crap. It's one thing to offer other ideas, it's another thing entirely to state something as fact and the other as foolishness.

 

Offline Black Wolf

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Question: Does it really matter how humans came into existance?

Besides can't creationism and evolution coexist seeing as "a day in heaven is like unto a thousand years" (meaning much, much longer). Furthermore, unless I'm mistaken, the days of creation follow the same general path of evolution.

No they don't, they're way off.

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Offline Kosh

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Besides can't creationism and evolution coexist seeing as "a day in heaven is like unto a thousand years" (meaning much, much longer).


They cannot co-exist in a science classroom.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Turambar

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Re: My Textbook Scans....
and if the word of god does make it into a science classroom, i would stop calling it a science classroom
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Offline Deepblue

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Wow. That textbook is just... wow.

Anyway, I don't really think either should be taught as absolute truth. Natural selection is a sound principle, however, speciation by evolution is on much, much shakier ground currently.

 

Offline Kosh

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Anyway, I don't really think either should be taught as absolute truth. Natural selection is a sound principle, however, speciation by evolution is on much, much shakier ground currently.

:wtf:

The ground isn't nearly as shakey as many creationists want you to believe.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Deepblue

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Let's put it this way. When lions and tigers (or some other organisms) stop being able to produce viable offspring after they already have for many years, it'll be sound proof.

Let's not forget that science is a process of trial and error. Taking something like evolution as complete truth when we don't have complete proof nor likely ever will due to the time such a process would involve would make darwinian evolution no different than a religion IMO.

Who cares anyway?
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Offline Kosh

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Let's put it this way. When lions and tigers (or some other organisms) stop being able to produce viable offspring after they already have for many years, it'll be sound proof.


A species generally doesn't die out because of that.
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Offline Solatar

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Re: My Textbook Scans....
Alright, so if I said I was convinced Evolution was wrong and is all based on faulty evidence and circular reasoning...why's creationism right instead? If it doesn't prove it any more than evolution, why should I bother changing my beliefs?

 

Offline Deepblue

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Who said you should?

Will humans ever know definitively, with proof, how life was created? No.

 

Offline Mefustae

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Question: Does it really matter how humans came into existance?
Well... uh... it's the... y'know... driving force behind all human will to understand the universe? I don't know about you, but I for one, and i'd think about 6 or so billion other people on this planet, would like to know definitively about where they came from. To completely ignore our origins is to abandon all scientific and philosophical progress.

Besides can't creationism and evolution coexist seeing as "a day in heaven is like unto a thousand years" (meaning much, much longer). Furthermore, unless I'm mistaken, the days of creation follow the same general path of evolution.
Wrong. Just wrong. No explanation needed, it's just common sense. Any 8-year old can tell you what's wrong with that, so I won't bore you.

Let's not forget that science is a process of trial and error. Taking something like evolution as complete truth when we don't have complete proof nor likely ever will due to the time such a process would involve would make darwinian evolution no different than a religion IMO.
Did... uh... did anyone say evolution is 100% complete truth? Trial an error is one thing, but we're talking about decades upon decades of research and modification to the original theory, backed up by copious amounts of observable and testable material. This ain't some book from a couple thousand years ago we're talking about, we're not simply pulling things out of the air because they sound cool, we've seen this s*** in action. An interesting thing to note is the irony that the theory of evolution actually 'evolves', in that sciene is generally willing to admit it's wrong when presented with contradicting data, something that certainly can't be said for creationists.

Remember, there is more observable evidence [a good word that, 'evidence'] for the Theory of Evolution than there is for the Theory of Gravity. Just food for thought.

Will humans ever know definitively, with proof, how life was created? No.
I disagree completely, and to take that view is - as I said earlier - to abandon all scientific and philosophical progress in favour of sitting on our collective arses until we're extinct. Although, if you're cool with doing that, fine by me.  :rolleyes:


Back OT: Regarding that "textbook", Zman, I wouldn't use that tripe to wipe my arse. There is so much circular logic and false conclusions drawn in that book [and i've only read the first three pages] that I am simply aghast that such a publication could have gotten anywhere near the classroom, let alone into a school at all! Hell, the fact alone that the book takes the existance of God as a universal given is a dead giveaway that there is about as much good science within those pages as there is Swedish supermodels within my bedroom. :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: June 09, 2006, 12:09:11 am by Mefustae »

 

Offline Deepblue

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Can you explain how humans will know how life came into existence since they weren't there at the beginning? Enlighten me, please.

 

Offline Mefustae

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Can you explain how humans will know how life came into existence since they weren't there at the beginning? Enlighten me, please.
No, no no, please. You first! I have nothing to prove at all, and you seem to be the one making the more provocative assertions here, so please, go right ahead. If you aren't too sure, feel free to ask your God to clear anything up, i've recently read that he was around at that time, apparently. :)

Heh, reading further into ZmaN's textbook, it's somewhat humerous to see the author get into somewhat of a pissing match against non-creationists, giving a list of all the scientific fields that have been advanced by scientists who happened to be religious [a good portion of them pre-20th century, and pre-Darwin], as if that proves something. :lol:
« Last Edit: June 09, 2006, 12:15:50 am by Mefustae »