[Sandwich]

but i've come to the conclusion that the israelis are worse.

*waves*

one reason i dont like israel is because its the christians who are backing them, and i don't like the christians

*waves twice*

thats why my plan for peace involves palestinians and israelis being forced to live in alternating houses and work in the same places.

as soon as each side realizes that the other side is comprised of human beings like themselves, the conflict will stop

honestly, the concept of sharing is entirely lost on all of them

There's plenty of interaction - civilian interaction - between Israelis and Palestinians / Israeli Arabs every day. Heck, try this on for a spot of irony. I work for a church. The church bought and renovated a large theater hall in downtown Jerusalem, turning it into a confrence hall. The manager is a secular Israeli guy. The janitor, however, is an Israeli Arab named (of all things) Islam. Neither are Christian. And we all get along fine, thank you very much.

So anyway, my point is that you should kindly stop speaking as if you know of things you don't have a clue about. Honestly, come visit the area (it's not nearly as dangerous as the news makes it seem - we all know how they like to focus on the gory parts). See things for yourself. Once you've been here and had firsthand experience - from both sides -  you'll be able to speak with a certain amount of credibility on the subject. Until that point however, your views are coming across as so radically biased that there's not many people here that are taking you seriously - even if they do agree with you in general.

Just some friendly advice - I hope I didn't come across as belittling or offensive.

I dont kniow what the hell those "things" are actualui fighting for over there. Its a barren land with no real strategical or economical value. Hell just go buy some country in Africa or some relly big island and you could fit the entire jewish population there.

Oy... first off, please put a little bit more effort into actually spelling - you'll find you're a lot more persuasive if you use proper spelling and grammar.

Second... no real value? Puh-leese.

[Turambar]

lol, hi sandwich, i was wondering when you'd come back

when i say israelis i mean the government, all the israelis i know on an individual level are nice ppl
christians... well maybe not.

[Mars]

Descrimination at any level is never a good thing, it is always good to keep a somewhat open mind, I suppose you could call me Agnostic at this point, though I used to be Christian. Christians aren't bad people

My point is if you make blanket statements about any group, be it racial, religious, national, sexual, political or economic, than your likely bordering on illogic and should probably shut up

[neoterran]

My point is if you make blanket statements about any group, be it racial, religious, national, sexual, political or economic, than your likely bordering on illogic and should probably shut up

Agreed

[Sandwich]

I dunno... these days, everyone (who's not a total idiot) knows that everyone knows that blanket statements are just that - blanket statements - and that there are many exceptions to the rule. I don't see a problem with generalizing under such conditions. Of course, moderation in all things.

Including moderation.

[TrashMan]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0323-09.htm

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2006/05/the_israel_lobby.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0321/dailyUpdate.html


the sites might be a little sketchy (i know, christian science...), but the study is real, got a printed copy of it in my house

Very interesting....

[GodisanAtheist]

Oy... first off, please put a little bit more effort into actually spelling - you'll find you're a lot more persuasive if you use proper spelling and grammar.

Second... no real value? Puh-leese.

-Wow, so there's some sort of magical connection between the Jews and the land of Palestine that gives them super academic powers?!

No one denies that Jews have contributed more than their fair share to human knowledge.

This may come as a shock to you, but many of the the world's greatest physicists, who were Jewish,lived before Israel existed. I know, must be some sort of crazy super jew that didn't need the Israeli state in order to draw his paper publishing power from.

Since everyone's tired of my facetious tone, the point is that so far as "The Conflict" is concerned, we're talking about the land not the value of the human beings that populate it. Jews can aide the human race just as well from Estonia as they could from Israel.

[Flipside]

If it weren't for Jewish Scientists, we wouldn't have reached the Moon, quite frankly.

Oddly enough it was a combination of Jewish mastery of the physical sciences and Astronomical equations that were based on the learning of Arab countries such as Persia that made it possible.

Just goes to show

[aldo_14]

If it weren't for Jewish Scientists, we wouldn't have reached the Moon, quite frankly.

Oddly enough it was a combination of Jewish mastery of the physical sciences and Astronomical equations that were based on the learning of Arab countries such as Persia that made it possible.

Just goes to show

although......  NASA had the odd Nazi V2 bloke like Von Braun, too.....

[Colonol Dekker]

Ahhhh, wihout whittle the jet age would be nowhere,............

[Flipside]

Indeed, but most of our scientific achievements have been made because of the contributions of many countries. We still wouldn't have got to the moon were it not also, for example, for the US/European (as in 'People who originated in Europe) skill at Engineering and Industry and the existence of the wheels of industry there to allow the massive project to take place.

That, I think, is why I find it so infuriating when everyone pulls in different directions.

[Colonol Dekker]

At the end of the day i am grateful for women 

[NGTM-1R]

although......  NASA had the odd Nazi V2 bloke like Von Braun, too.....

Von Braun wasn't a Nazi Party member IIRC...though whether that matters is highly dubious.

On the other hand, a very real argument can be made that Jewish scientists built the atomic bomb.

[Turambar]

who ever put jewishness into question anyways?

[Flipside]

I dont kniow what the hell those "things" are actualui fighting for over there. Its a barren land with no real strategical or economical value. Hell just go buy some country in Africa or some relly big island and you could fit the entire jewish population there.

Note: I used the word "things" because you can not call human people who actualy loke to blow eachothers children families etc into the air for well for the heck of it basicly. They have no realistic reason to keep foghting like this.

I think it's posts like that which are causing the problem to be honest. :/

[aldo_14]

although......  NASA had the odd Nazi V2 bloke like Von Braun, too.....

Von Braun wasn't a Nazi Party member IIRC...though whether that matters is highly dubious.

On the other hand, a very real argument can be made that Jewish scientists built the atomic bomb.

Well, offhand, Von Braun was responsible for the V2 rocket program, which would include the use of Jewish (etc) slave labour, and he did pick out slaves from the camps for that.  He was most definately a Nazi party member, though - otherwise he wouldn't have had his job.

Also, Arthur Rudolph who worked and was awarded for said work on the Saturn V, renounced his US citizenship after he came under investigation for war crimes in the 80s (I think as part of a deal to avoid charges - essentially by agreeing to leave the US).

[Mefustae]

I think it's appropriate for me to point out that you never went to the moon, so it's a moot point.

[Colonol Dekker]

Beach shelled, Israel not sure if they did it... 

How did we get to this point anyway?

[aldo_14]

I think it's appropriate for me to point out that you never went to the moon, so it's a moot point.

Hmm, you're right, of course.

[Flipside]

I think it's appropriate for me to point out that you never went to the moon, so it's a moot point.

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