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Offline Colonol Dekker

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ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Right, my old P4 has just been passed on to the new generation (13 yr old sibling) And my 21 yr old bro has an SLI GEforce beast and is rubbing my nose in it. My IT tinkering days rare Waaaaaay gone now, I got an A-level 2 GNVq's and a GCSE all high passes. But i cant be arsed to build a new rig.
I'm earning good money so i think ill buy one, I want a blatan gaming rig that can also handle rendering well.

Being out of teh loop i'm not sure, gaming power and rendering power- Interchangable?

IE If i fork out on a hench/Tonk uber mother of a gaming system, will it do 3dsmax justice?
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
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Offline aldo_14

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Hmm.  Rendering usually requires a different sent of calcs to games-rendering, namely a lot more FP math for things like proper soft shadowing and light-tracing, etc; stuff even top-level games cards struggle with.

Although, depends what you're rendering.  Max v4 runs on my creaky old thing ok, although it takes a while to render anything non-trivial.

 

Offline Turambar

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
ugh

especially with alienware, it'd be much cheaper to buy and assemble the components on your own.  it may not look as snazzy, but you'll have a compy that can do everything the alienware can do, probably more.
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Offline Flipside

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Software rendering is more about CPU power than graphical power, a lot of rendering programs allow for multi-threading as well, so a Multi-Core high powered CPU is better than a top-level Graphics card system :)

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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Offline Fury

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
As far as buying pre-built computers go, you might want to check this. However, if I were you I'd wait till Intel Core 2 Duo and either NVIDIA G80 or ATI R600 are released. The trio will be better than anything currently available. Even if you won't buy them, their releases will drop current generation prices considerably. Core 2 Duo will be out by end of June and G80 according to rumors will be pretty close as well, R600 on the other hand is most likely released for christmas.

Edit: About the link you posted above, please don't buy Intel Pentiums. They are crap compared to equivalent Athlons. The first decent Intel chip in years is the Core and especially Core 2.

Edit 2: If you want to buy a new rig NOW and not later. Then I recommend you to look for a rig that has nForce 570 or nForce 590 based motherboard such as Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 as well as nVidia GeForce 7900GT and 2GB DDR2-800 RAM. This setup won't break the bank, offers very good performance in games and rendering and AM2 socket offers decent upgradeability in the future unlike socket 939.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2006, 06:10:34 am by Fury »

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Well, i can safely spend £1100, but i can push myself to £1600 and miss out on getting drunk all month.. :(
Ideally i'd like to spend £700 though. (wouldn't we all though) :D
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President of the Scooby Doo Model Appreciation Society
The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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Offline Flipside

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Avoid PC World if possible, they really aren't a good place to get stuff from.

www.novatech.co.uk

This place is pretty good, you can get barebones systems and just buy the add-ons you need :)

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
LMAO i spent 3 months working for Dixons group back in 2003 on a break from primary job.
PCWorld are sh1t, i made most of the sales by telling the customers the truth about cover and actually speaking to them-not down to them.

I still get my old workmates to give me 10% discount thats the only reason i check their stock.
Novatech Eh? Interesting, i think ill browse for a bit.
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« Last Edit: June 12, 2006, 06:52:31 am by Colonol Dekker »
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Offline Fury

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
- nForcer Elite 4200? :wtf: From the name I assume it is nForce 4 based, don't bother. Get nForce 570 or 590 instead.
- 1024MB DDR2 667MHz Corsair Dual Channel RAM. Only 1GB and besides you really should get DDR2-800 with AM2 or otherwise RAM performance will be somewhat lacking.
- Dual nVidia 7900GTX 512MB PCI-E Graphics. GTX gives you the most performance but GT is far more wallet friendly and still an excellent performer.
- 8-Channel High definition Audio with Optical, Coaxial & DTS Connect Function. Sufficient for gaming I guess, but you might want to consider Creative X-Fi is you're a gamer.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Fury if i set a budget of say £900 or lower find me the machine you would buy today.
I'll buy it  :D
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President of the Scooby Doo Model Appreciation Society
The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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Offline Turambar

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
as long as you don't go buying some prefab computer from dell or something, you should be ok
10:55:48   TurambarBlade: i've been selecting my generals based on how much i like their hats
10:55:55   HerraTohtori: me too!
10:56:01   HerraTohtori: :D

 

Offline Fury

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
I don't buy or research on pre-built rigs. £900 is close enough to a rig I described here.
Turambar, he is precisely looking for pre-built rigs such as Dell.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Whens it out? I couldn't find a price on it.... :(
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President of the Scooby Doo Model Appreciation Society
The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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Offline Turambar

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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10:55:48   TurambarBlade: i've been selecting my generals based on how much i like their hats
10:55:55   HerraTohtori: me too!
10:56:01   HerraTohtori: :D

 

Offline Fury

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Whens it out? I couldn't find a price on it.... :(
AM2 motherboards and CPU's are out right now. Core 2 Duo will be available in perhaps 2 months, with any luck G80 as well.

 

Offline Flipside

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Trust me Colonel Dekker, if you're waiting for everyone here to agree on what computer is best for rendering, it'd be quicker to buy a Paintbrush and Watercolour set ;)

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Cobs dont import well... :lol:
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President of the Scooby Doo Model Appreciation Society
The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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Offline CP5670

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
The video card doesn't affect the actual rendering, although it determines how smoothly you can move around the camera while editing. If you want the best rendering speeds, two dual cores would be optimal, but get at least one (would highly advise waiting for Core 2 though). Performance in most modern games, on the other hand, is almost completely dependent on the video card(s).

So yeah, I think it's possible to get top notch gaming and rendering performance in the same system if you're ready to spend the money, although maybe not overall 3D app performance (the workstation cards are much faster than consumer cards at that, but suck in games).

If you're planning to use SLI, try all the games you intend to play on your brother's system and make sure everything works to your satisfaction. SLI is wonderful when it works, but it currently has major vsync related problems in most games (that go beyond the basic tearing). I finally got fed up with that and ditched my SLI setup last month.

If you're willing to tinker a bit, avoid the 7900GTX, as essentially all 7900GTs can be pushed beyond GTX speeds with a very simple mod.

Also, there seems to be some widespread problem on the current batches of 7900 cards, with a large number of people getting defective ones out of the box. It's bad enough that some hardware sites and card manufacturers have acknowledged it, so make sure you buy from some store/company that will let you replace it quickly if needed.

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Core 2 Duo will be out by end of June and G80 according to rumors will be pretty close as well, R600 on the other hand is most likely released for christmas.

Actually, the general consensus around various forums is that they are both very unlikely to come out before the end of the year (possibly even later), going by Inquirer speculation and the complete lack of any leaked information. The 7950GX2 is yet another mid-gen refresh intended to hold over until then and ATI should have a speed bumped R580 out in September.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: ALIENWARE- Good render machine?
Hmmm, Thankee sai,
I'll bear this in mind, I might hold on, but i'm sorely tempted to purchase before the end of the week.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President of the Scooby Doo Model Appreciation Society
The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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