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Offline Kamikaze

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Scary abortion bill in Ohio
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=state&id=4265424

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The proposal would go further than a South Dakota abortion ban - considered the most restrictive in the United States - by outlawing abortions even when a woman's life is in danger. Like the South Dakota ban, the Ohio proposal would make no exceptions for rape.
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Offline Turambar

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
ugh, why is the government convinced that its their business whether someone gets an abortion or not.  i advocate the position that it isnt anybody's damn business except for the person getting the damn baby gotten rid of.
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Offline delta_7890

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
Agreed.  I'm of the opinion that A) there's too many people in the world as it is, and B) any mother that's actively seeking to abort her child clearly doesn't want it, for whatever reason, and it probably wouldn't have a very cheerful childhood anyhow.
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Offline Kernal

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Agreed.  I'm of the opinion that A) there's too many people in the world as it is, and B) any mother that's actively seeking to abort her child clearly doesn't want it, for whatever reason, and it probably wouldn't have a very cheerful childhood anyhow.

A: No everybody in world can fit in Texas.
B:How would you feel if your Mother had a Abortion with you?
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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
He wouldn't feel anything. :p
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Offline Turambar

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
B:How would you feel if your Mother had a Abortion with you?

i wouldnt, thats the beauty of being nipped before youre conscious
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Offline Kernal

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B:How would you feel if your Mother had a Abortion with you?

i wouldnt, thats the beauty of being nipped before youre conscious

So you rather be a bunch of dead cells then a walking and talking person? It doesn`t matter if your conscious or not. It`s what those cells will turn into is what concerns me. Imagine one of those babies being a great leader or someone who cured the common cold.
But unfortuntly he/shes mother had to much fun one night and wanted to kill the poor thing because it was inconvienit (sp?).
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Offline Turambar

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
you aren't born a great leader, you become one.  sure, the opportunity is gone, but there's still thousands of more opportunities.  (about one every month per female, i don't think there's going to be a problem)
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So you rather be a bunch of dead cells then a walking and talking person? It doesn`t matter if your conscious or not. It`s what those cells will turn into is what concerns me. Imagine one of those babies being a great leader or someone who cured the common cold.
But unfortuntly he/shes mother had to much fun one night and wanted to kill the poor thing because it was inconvienit (sp?).

Imagine one of those babies being Hitler or someone who invented a new disease.

Also, if you read the proposed law, you know you are saying those "mothers" who were raped were having "too much fun one night".
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Offline Taristin

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
Making abortions illegal will not stop them.

The government has no right to make this decision.

The parent will find other ways to deal with the child. Whether it be adoption (which will likely lead to a child in a foster home, since there are way more children than there are people looking to adopt), abandonment, abuse, infanticide, or what have you.
If the parents truly dont want the child, they will get rid of it, whether you like it or not. Allowing abortion only makes it so that one life is lost, rather than risking two.
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Offline Kernal

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You all failed to answer my question however. Which pretty much tells me that none of you would wanted to die if it your mother thought it was bad time kids. The  Rape issue is another matter altogether. Oviously the mother did not intentally get pregnant. I`m going to go both ways on this one. It wasn`t the babies fault that the mother was laid by a rapping moron. On the other hand.......I don`t know......... :blah:

What I meant above is about women that do it with their boyfriends and fullheartedly want to have sex. 
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Offline Turambar

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
sex=fun
babies=no fun

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Offline Mars

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
Heh... I'm so so on abortion, it's just that both sides seem so stupid and full of it. Abortion is one of those things that I don't no what to think, and I think it's just fine that way. Still, it's really stupid that they would make it illegal even if the mother was in danger.

 

Offline Turambar

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
well, the best viewpoint for males to take is that its none of our damn business what they do, i guess.  ppl without uteruses shouldnt be involved at all.
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Offline brozozo

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
Ugh. I'm so tired of this. Roe v. Wade, damn it! I'm against abortion unless it has to do with rape or saving the mother, but I believe it's your choice. That sounds contradictory, doesn't it? Let me put it this way: it's none of my business.

 

Offline Kernal

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Well at least somehere here has similer morals I have.
Making abortions illegal will not stop them.

The government has no right to make this decision.

The parent will find other ways to deal with the child. Whether it be adoption (which will likely lead to a child in a foster home, since there are way more children than there are people looking to adopt), abandonment, abuse, infanticide, or what have you.
If the parents truly dont want the child, they will get rid of it, whether you like it or not. Allowing abortion only makes it so that one life is lost, rather than risking two.

You must have missed it. In about every constitution it states "Murder is illegal".
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Offline Ace

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
Then what is murder? That's the question.

If you base your morality on valuing sentience, 'personhood' then abortion is not an issue in the current rules since the cells have not developed to the point of having a nervous system let alone being a viable individual.

If you're basing it off of 'it's genetically human, it's a person period' then wouldn't miscarriages be morally reprehensible on the same level? Especially if it was even remotely possible for modern medical science to stop it? The only way to avoid this is to evoke predestination of some sort, which then means that in the end the arguement collapses to one of religion and dogma in which there is no room for rational discourse.

This is a difference between having a forward-thinking concept of 'personhood' which is necessary for future issues dealing with artificial intelligence as opposed to a reactionary concept founded mainly in religion with only recent attempts to 'secularize' it which is, by its very nature, forced to confront one issue at a time.
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Offline Kamikaze

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
You all failed to answer my question however.

Because your question is stupid. A fetus will not think "Oh, I hope I won't be aborted" because it cannot think.

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What I meant above is about women that do it with their boyfriends and fullheartedly want to have sex. 

Then maybe these states trying to outlaw abortion should require some useful sexual education in schools.
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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
You all failed to answer my question however. Which pretty much tells me that none of you would wanted to die if it your mother thought it was bad time kids.
That is one of the stupidest arguements i've heard since TrashMan debated the inclusion of Battleships in the FS universe (:p). Of course nobody would want to be dead, why the hell would you even ask that? Not to mention the somewhat idiotic statement 'thought it was a bad time for kid', as that is one hell of an oversimplification of what goes through a woman's head when she considers an abortion.

The  Rape issue is another matter altogether. Oviously the mother did not intentally get pregnant. I`m going to go both ways on this one. It wasn`t the babies fault that the mother was laid by a rapping moron. On the other hand.......I don`t know......... :blah:
No, you can't go 'both ways' on the issue. You're chastising us over considering rights for abortion, so you have to make a damn conclusion on this, as it's one of the biggest issues within the whole fubar situation.

What I meant above is about women that do it with their boyfriends and fullheartedly want to have sex.
Riiiight, because we're living in the middle-ages when sex is not fun, it's shameful, and it should only be done on sparse occasions when we want to bring another kid into this world. Shame on all of you for even thinking of having sex, especially those of you who are thinking of it right now as you read this sentence. Shame, shame, shame.

See, the problem I see with you, is that you believe the life of the baby still inside the womb is more important than everything else going on around it. You're effectively saying that the mother should be stripped of her rights when she is pregnent, ignore any physical or mental issues that may complicate the situation, and be condemned to a role not as the giver of life, but simply a vessel for this sacred child. Then, when the child is born, you don't care about it any more, your interest is gone. You don't care that this kid will be born into abject poverty, or into a war-torn landscape, or into the hands of abusive or neglective parents, or the countless other situations when that child is better off dead. And if you believe there isn't a situation like that, then there's no helping you. Stop thinking of that thing in her belly as a sacred being that should be protected at all costs, and starting thinking about the rights of the mother, and of the child once it is born.

You must have missed it. In about every constitution it states "Murder is illegal".

Oh God, you're not one of those people, are you. Y'know, I think I did miss that part about murder. I think I also missed the part where it says a foetus is a person. Can you point that part out for me? :rolleyes:

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Re: Scary abortion bill in Ohio
Should we consider jews people too? Hitler didn't.

Should we consider mentally retarded people human?

Should we consider people with missing limbs people? Or are they not "whole" people.

The ability to dream is not human? A baby starts dreaming and forming thoughts in only about 70 days.
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