[Colonol Dekker]

Was the Corsica in RI? Man i must have blapped that more times than i could count back in my LOA--JK47 days, (salutes the fallen LOA) I thougt it had voice acting all the way in Rebel Intercept? Only haxxors granting promotions on duplicates of that mission had corrupt/dodgy events..........

[AlphaOne]

The deimos uses vasudan tech. Make no mistake about it. Also Since someone bashed mi head and not only mine because if its in the game then its cannon you cant not accept it. So there you have it. I't doesnt matter if its presented as an orion icon as long as its hecate no doubht about it.

[Colonol Dekker]

Not having a pop A1, slow down the conjunctives please.

Also Since someone bashed mi head and not only mine because if its in the game then its cannon you cant not accept it

i completely lost ya there.........

[AlphaOne]

Well remember the whole arguement about the cannon fact regarding the 6.000 crewmen on a Sobek. Well that was mention only if you failed the respective missios and since that was almost imposible to happen(lose the mission that is) then its cannon since its mentioned in the game. Doesnt matter when or in what circumstances. The same goes here if its in the game then it doesnt matter in what circumstances it apears its cannon.

[Nuclear1]

I't doesnt matter if its presented as an orion icon as long as its hecate no doubht about it.

One: there is absolutely no canon evidence besides that Command Brief that determines what class the Cyrene is. Flagship + destroyer =! Hecate

Two: Considering every single briefing icon in a Command Brief represents a ship as its exact class (the Aquitaine as a Hecate, Psamtik as Hatshepsut, Repulse as an Orion), we can assume that the Cyrene is an Orion as depicted. If it was a Hecate, there would have been more than enough room in the Command Brief to replace the Orion image with a Hecate.

Three: Just because the wiki says it doesn't mean it's true. The wiki is still peer-edited, and I've come across plenty of inaccuracies myself.

The deimos uses vasudan tech. Make no mistake about it.

I know that the Deimos uses a Vasudan reactor. My question was why a Deimos was using a Vasudan commander's voiceover in addition to the player being ordered to engage whatever fighters launch from the Deimos.

[Colonol Dekker]

Actually you blow it up in Rebel Intercept Multiplayer mission, Its a Hecate. You hardly need more proof than blowing it up right?

[Nuclear1]

Actually you blow it up in Rebel Intercept Multiplayer mission, Its a Hecate. You hardly need more proof than blowing it up right?

True, but IIRC, the mission is only fully VA'd by for all of the corvettes and smaller warships. I'm not sure if I remember hearing an arrival message for the Corsica or the Alsace, though, which leads to question their canonical worth.

[AlphaOne]

Fighters launching from the Deimos?? Where did you get that. Also I have come to the conclusion that not all icons represent the exact ship as it is depicted. I saw in FS1 an icon of a bommber that we actualy see in fs1 later during the campaign as a newer bommber available yet they are shown to have been available long before they were introduced to the fleets. Also You dont actualy fly the bommber depicted by the icon.

[AlphaOne]

So what Volition only validated half the mission and the other half they what deemed it....what??

[Colonol Dekker]

I'm sure i remember a wav, Can someone rip the RI mission from the VP file and check for a .WAV reference, im at work and dont have my FS2 files for some "silly  " reason.

"Definately a canon mission though"

[Nuclear1]

Fighters launching from the Deimos?? Where did you get that. Also I have come to the conclusion that not all icons represent the exact ship as it is depicted. I saw in FS1 an icon of a bommber that we actualy see in fs1 later during the campaign as a newer bommber available yet they are shown to have been available long before they were introduced to the fleets. Also You dont actualy fly the bommber depicted by the icon.

The Murakami shows up as a Deimos, correct? Now listen to the conversation between the rebel ships and the Murakami. I think that this may have been a last minute balancing change, and that RI probably had similar changes made.

The icons are off simply because those icons are the generic briefing icons used by the game to represent certain classes of ships rather than making briefing icons for each and every one of the ships in that class. Cutscenes and Command Briefs are typically more accurate because they're special cases: they aren't used for every mission as ordinary Briefings are.

[Goober5000]

My copy of Rebel Intercept doesn't have the Corsica or the Alsace in it.  It's also M-04 rather than M-04b...

[CP5670]

Ah, I see. There's one major inaccuracy there though: the Cyrene is clearly shown as an Orion in the Command Brief showing the rebels' loss of Polaris and Sirius. As for the Corsica, considering the lack of voiceacting for its arrival in the mission, I'm led to believe that it was added later and may not be canon. Any multi vets out there know anything about this? I think this falls into the Murikami having a Vasudan commander, yet being a Deimos.

hmm, that looks like an error on my part. I remember correcting that though; the fix must have somehow slipped through when I uploaded the file. There was a discussion on this a few years ago at FRED Zone and the general conclusion was that the Cyrene is almost certainly an Orion due to the thing in that command briefing (which is not just the normal icon, but the actual Orion model).

The Corsica on the other hand is definitely a canon NTF Hecate.

My copy of Rebel Intercept doesn't have the Corsica or the Alsace in it.  It's also M-04 rather than M-04b...

That's the older version of the mission. Volition released newer versions (with the b labels) of the first four multiplayer missions at some point, along with three new missions.

[TrashMan]

The NTF shipyards created three, no more, no less. Three was the number they created, and the number of the creation was three. Four they did not produce, nor did they produce two, excepting between the periods in which they had created one and three. Five was right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then they were retaken by the GTVA.

"Now pull the holy pin and throw it with righteous might against thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it! Amen"


EDIT: Bloody hell! According to this, the NTF had AT LEAST 10 destroyers!!!!

[Mars]

What does? 

Surely not the Command breifings.

[aldo_14]

What does? 

Surely not the Command breifings.

If you include the multiplayer briefings.

[NGTM-1R]

That's why I think the majority of the NTF's ships were reconditioned from the Polaris boneyard. I just don't see any other way they could have gotten that many. Even at its height the NTF only had control of four or five systems.

[aldo_14]

That's why I think the majority of the NTF's ships were reconditioned from the Polaris boneyard. I just don't see any other way they could have gotten that many. Even at its height the NTF only had control of four or five systems.

To be fair, both the number and composition of fleets are rather abstract; the casualty figures for Operation Thresher in particular would require a substantial number of fighter 'bases' (installations or destroyers), for example.

[Goober5000]

If you include the multiplayer briefings.

I'm inclined to treat the multiplayer missions as not canon, or maybe semi-canon, due to the number of inconsistencies and cans of worms involved.

[Nuclear1]

If you include the multiplayer briefings.

I'm inclined to treat the multiplayer missions as not canon, or maybe semi-canon, due to the number of inconsistencies and cans of worms involved.

That's exactly why I don't say that the NTF had a Hecate like the Corsica. The multiplayer missions seemed more geared around playability and balance, not around the story ala the main campaign.