[AlphaOne]

Not necesarili each one is good at what is was ment to do. the sobek was ment to take on shivan cruisers while the Hecate was well intended to be a steroid version of the Aeouli. At least thats what I think. But they each do a good job at taking out enemy warships in they own way with the Sobek beeing more of a head on tipe of ship while the Deimos is more of a all round AAAF defences and good anti cap ship weapons.

[Mars]

Not necessarily each one is good at what is was meant to do. the Sobek was meant to take on shivan cruisers while the Deimos was well intended to be a steroid version of the Aeolus. At least that's what I think.

Both were designed as mainstay, standard warships, capable of considerable anti-warship power, but also capable of defending themselves.

But they each do a good job at taking out enemy warships in they own way with the Sobek being more of a head on tip of ship while the Deimos is more of a all round AAAF defenses and good anti cap ship weapons.

Yes, but the Deimos is a much better design overall, it tends to be able to take on warships and wave after wave of bombers. The Sobek is nice, but it's anti-fighter defense is worse then most Terran cruisers. This has to do with age, if the Sobek was the ultra-modern ship the Deimos was, who knows what it'd be like.

[AlphaOne]

I alwai thought that the Sobek was better in terms of AAAF defences then terran cruiser in repect the Aeouli but worse then the Deimos???

[Mars]

They have about the same defenses in terms of anti-fighter turrets, but in terms of turret placment and laser turrets (good for taking down bombs) the Deimos's is much better.

We're talking about the same ships right?

Deimos

Sobek

[AlphaOne]

umm actuali i was refering to the sobek having better aaaf defences then the aeoulous cruiser yet not so good when compared to the Deimos. Yes I know the deimos Oh and I love that ship BTW.

Its just soo....sleak also the sobek is cool it has a sort of look like something you use to poke and enemy in the eye or stab him with it.

[Mars]

I was exaggerating about what I said with the Terran cruiser, basically, the Sobek can't compare with the Deimos, overall.

[AlphaOne]

well sor of its just that the Deimos has far fewer blind spots then the sobek and they are generaly harder to spot. Also we must not forget that the Deimos is much bigger ship then the Sobek and has the abilaty to mount more weaponry then the Sobek. either way they are very good designs and the zods seem to have quite a number of sobeks around to deploy which can not be said fo the Deimos which is a brand new design so to speak which bareli left the drawing boards in a way.

[Mars]

well sort of, its just that the Deimos has far fewer blind spots then the Sobek and they are generally harder to spot.

Better turret placement in action

Also we must not forget that the Deimos is much bigger ship then the Sobek

Bull****, the Deimos is barely bigger than the Sobek, the difference in size between the Lilith and the Aeolus is about as sticking, IE barely considerable.

and has the ability to mount more weaponry then the Sobek.

Not really, the Deimos has a couple more laser turrets, and four beams, each with about half the strength of the Sobek's two beams, so it comes out ~ even.

either way they are very good designs

I'm not disputing that, merely stating that in most estimations, the Deimos is a superior vessel.

and the zods seem to have quite a number of Sobek around to deploy which can not be said for the Deimos which is a brand new design so to speak which barely left the drawing boards in a way.

Yes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my original point, which was that the Hatshepsut could be a far more recent design than the Hecate, and therefore we can't necessarily compare them 1 to 1, which we can't do already because there's a lot we don't know about the Hatshepsut (# of fighters for one) and the fact that they're designed with a totally different purpose in mind.

[AlphaOne]

Actualy it states in the tech room i think that the Hatshepsut is the latest in temr of GTVA capships. Note GTVA and not Vasudan capships. So its safe to asume that the Hathsepsut is joint endeavour. however it was mainly designed to be used by the vasudans so you have the adequate design and weapons feature that the Zods use. the Hatshepsut was introducen into service in 2360. With the tech room saing that the Hecate are replacing the Orion as the main fleet destroyer . could we asume that the Hecate was introduce prior to the Hatshepsut?


Also note that the Deimos is actualy 107 metter longer then the Sobek. That is a pretti big diference if it was like a few metters then it would be neglijabele but 107 metters is not .

Also why does the tech room description say thet the Hatshepsut has 5 beam cannons yet in the wiki there are only 4 mentioned???

[Wanderer]

Tech descriptions are what they are.... that is they are quite often inaccurate and full of mistakes (check Mentu and Leviathan for other odd descriptions). The stats on the bottom of the wiki article are the actual weapons found from the ship according to ships.tbl.

[AlphaOne]

Darn. So the Hatshepsut has only 4 beam cannons darn. Oh well you guis who actualy know how to do it can alway modifi the ships in Fs to actualy match the techroom descriptions. Or viceversa!

[Colonol Dekker]

Actually, that would be wquite interesting, If someone ported the ships to original Tech-room specs,as the :V's word is god-mod: to see how the balance was affected.  You could add all the Collies weapons as per teh cutscene also.....

[AlphaOne]

umm sorry if mi memory fails me but what was so diferent in the final design of the Collie ? I mean that is not present in the game yet preasent in the cutscene??

[aldo_14]

There are something like 20 or so weapons missing between the Colossus as described in the techroom (and some tbl comments), and the Colossus seen ingame.

[AlphaOne]

any of the actual BG beam cannons or something like that.

Also whats with these people and they slasher beam I mean come on put some in a dessigns but more then actual heavy beams....! Give me abreak already. The collie has +1 slasher then actual heavy beams!those blasted things Dont belong on anythin bigger then a cruiser.

[Colonol Dekker]

Sigh  ,

Theres far too much to consider based on vrying different power outputtage, space considerations in hull design as well as crew capability and who know how much maintenance beams use, I mean in the opening FS2 mission the plamptik had to order a plasma core insertion. or all we know they could be used like artillery shells- providing raw mateial to focus into a beam before being ejected and reloaded.

Horses for course remember, If all ships were equal, where would the fun be?

[AlphaOne]

NOt saing all ships have to be equal but to mount 7 slashers as opesed to the 6 BG is just ridiculous to me. Get rrid of at least 2 slashers and replace them with BG then maibe just maibe the collie wouldnt burn out its reactors and take so much damage from overloading its beams!

[Colonol Dekker]

Maybe BG's use more power during operation than slashers Who's to say? :woot:

[AlphaOne]

Umm and mounting 7 of them is a good wai to reduce power consumption??? Nope get rid of 4 then and replace them with 2 BG ! that shoul still be more then enough to power all the beam cannons also I dont think the Collie had anithyng to worry about in terms of power supplyes running out since well they had like 3 rows of reactors to power the blasted cannons. the only reason why they burned out was because they overpowered the beam cannons in order to do more damage. that is all.

If the Collie would of had nothin but BG (yah I know stupid thing to think about or sugest but im not sugesting anything) then it would of had i believe more then eneough fipower to take out the Sathani without actualy having to overpower the beam cannons.

[Colonol Dekker]

All valid pints, but did they have a decent enough "Pleaseure deck" thats teh question, much like the sex deck from Holoship in red dwarf, but with less knookie. And more, umm, cinemas and........