[Mefustae]

Found a quote the other day that couldn't be more applicable to the current situation... pretty much everywhere:

"We will not acheive world peace by bombing each other's children" - President Jimmy Carter

That's very true, and the US did heed that to an extent. Of course, they just changed from bombing children to endorsing embargos that kill children much faster and cost-effectively, but it's all good.

[Bobboau]

allowing our children be bombed with impunity isn't a road to peace either.

[Mefustae]

But American children have never been bombed, while Americans have indeed bombed children in the past [not meaning to provoke, plain and simple fact]. So the whole sentiment, well, it's a bit hypcritical isn't it?

[NGTM-1R]

Not bombed by them, certainly, but then again that's only a reflection of their incompetence as terrorists.

[Bobboau]

while I was talking about it from Israel's point of view, the US has indeed been hit. but that's irrelevent to my comment as I was, as I said, talking mostly from Israels position, as I am sure that is what the 'bombing each other's children' comment was about, unless you are going to tell me that you have killed children of an anemy who has killed many of your own, AND that's what you were refering to.

[Mefustae]

I was taking Carter's comment from a far more general perspective, but I just pointed out the mild hypocrisy noticable after the fact considering it was a US Leader who said it, and their actions as of late have certainly acted contrary to the values expressed. Beyond that, I haven't the foggiest what you're on about.

[Bobboau]

my point was that things like that sound nice and make things seem simple, but they realy do not provide any answers

[Mefustae]

I couldn't agree more.

[Bobboau]

y.. you agree... with me? you agreee?!
...de..ja...ahh, how.... how dare you agree with me... how DARE you! your not alowed to agree with me!
I...ah..eh...I'm leaveing!
/*poof*/

[Mefustae]

Hooray! It's finally defeated! You can come out everyone, it's safe now!! Let's party!

*Dozens of forumites emerge from hiding and begin to boogey-down*

[karajorma]

my point was that things like that sound nice and make things seem simple, but they realy do not provide any answers

Neither does bombing each others children.

The point surely is that people need to find something does provide an answer.

[vyper]

UN Resolution - full text (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4785963.stm).

Looks interesting, unlikely that Israel will pay attention. Of course it should have included clauses allowing UN forces to go after Hezbollah if they didn't give up the soldiers (then all Israel would have to do is withdraw, and suddenly they would have a chunk of the world sympathy currently directed at lebanon).

[aldo_14]

Hands up who thinks Hezbollah or Israel will listen one jot to a UN resolution?

Anyone?

Albeit it is at least a tentative move forward in resolving this.  I'm just very cynical-minded justnow.

[kasperl]

Hands up who thinks Hezbollah or Israel will listen one jot to a UN resolution?

Anyone?

Albeit it is at least a tentative move forward in resolving this.  I'm just very cynical-minded justnow.

The only real bad point in that resolution is the fact that they won't deploy UN forces until after a cessation in hostilities. Otherwise, I've read worse resolutions, actually.

[Nuclear1]

Hands up who thinks Hezbollah or Israel will listen one jot to a UN resolution?

Anyone?

Albeit it is at least a tentative move forward in resolving this.  I'm just very cynical-minded justnow.

Totally agreed. While it's good that the Security Council finally got something like this passed, I just can't see either side standing down unless international forces step in now.

[IPAndrews]

Dieties never give ceasefire orders.

[Mefustae]

Dieties never give ceasefire orders.

Totally agree with you, although the question remains as to how low-fat food is supposed to give orders in the first place?

[IPAndrews]

I blame the spell checker. 

[Mathwiz6]

Wow, it's like burning your house down to get a single rat.

whats wrong with that?

The rat isn't dangerous. So... how about burning your house down to get 20 well hidden rats with fleas on them, with black death?

[Sandwich]

Found a quote the other day that couldn't be more applicable to the current situation... pretty much everywhere:

"We will not acheive world peace by bombing each other's children" - President Jimmy Carter

"We can forgive them for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing our children to kill their children." (or something like that) - Golda Meir.

Anyway, a friend of mine (married, 2 kids, 2 in the oven) was called up for reserve duty. He and his unit have been in Lebanon fighting Hezbollah in the streets. He was in an alley when a Hezbollah guy launched an RPG at his head. It exploded next to him, but he wasn't injured at all aside from a slight loss of hearing (which could be from the battles in general). He said that the hardest part of the fighting is that they're not allowed to open fire until they see that a potential enemy is actually armed; without seeing the weaponry, Hezbollah is indistinguishable from regular Lebanese civilians, since they wear no uniform.

Also, last saturday, my brother had a katyusha pass over him (the shadow went over him for a split second) and explode 40 meters beyond him in his base.

What are people's opinions on all the false media stuff being exposed recently? I know what I think, and I know what some people here think, but what's the general consensus around where you are?