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Offline Game_Master64

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #100 on: November 24, 2006, 02:40:21 pm
how many chapters is he making anyway? his site says 10 but the campaign list says 5
 

Offline Dark Hunter

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #101 on: November 24, 2006, 09:35:58 pm
His site says twelve actually...

And Skippy's list hasn't been updated for a while. Furthermore it only lists campaigns actually being worked on, not future planned ones.
"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?" -DEATH, Discworld
 

Offline Dark Hunter

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #102 on: November 25, 2006, 05:10:09 pm
I wish to know two things:

1. How is he planning to get to chapter 12, never mind beyond it, without at least one other FREDder helping him? Talk about over-achieving...

2. Why is he working on Chapter 7 when Chapter 5 isn't out yet? Not to mention Chapter 6?
Still sounds like a fun mission against the Ace, though... I didn't even know the Shivans had aces...
"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?" -DEATH, Discworld
 

Offline ARSPR

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #103 on: November 27, 2006, 02:32:17 pm
Quote from: Mefustae on July 24, 2006, 02:35:30 am
Yes they do.

Of course, Chapter 3 has a few little problems, like not giving you the Slayer torpedo in a few missions meaning you just need to change whatever secondary you do have to a Slayer via cheats, and a few missions where you fly Shivan ships, some show up as Ulysses for varied reasons. But, nothing show-stopping.

I have just crashed into this problem. Does anyone know why it happens? Is it a mission design bug or a FSOpen bug?

(If it is the latest, it should be Mantised).
IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:
  • Please, please, please, READ and UNDERSTAND the sticky threads in FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
    A lot of people are willing to help you, but, as anyone can understand, seeing the very same "issues" repeated again and again can become quite depressing. Please, spend a bit of time trying to solve the issue by yourself.
    (Lobo deserves a monument).
  • Then, if you aren't still able to solve your issue, feel free to ask for help in that same board.
    FYI, most of the troubles are caused by wrong mod installations which lead to either missing data or undesired cross-effects between them. Always follow the mod installation instructions and keep a clean FS2 installation as explained in the sticky threads. Two additional links about how the game handles game data:
  • If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
    Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.

Whoever Hanlon was: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

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Offline Dark Hunter

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #104 on: November 27, 2006, 03:49:36 pm
I'm trying to solve it, but I think it's a build error, because the mission itself is fine. So, I'm not confident that I'll solve it myself.

I think someone Mantis-ed it, but I'm not sure.
"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?" -DEATH, Discworld
 

Offline ARSPR

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #105 on: November 27, 2006, 04:28:16 pm
I have solved the "Slayer" problem. The trouble is inside ItDoH2-shp.tbm from ItDoH2.vp in GTB Artemis definition. You have coded:

Code: [Select]
$Name:                          GTB Artemis
+nocreate
$Allowed PBanks:        ( "Malcifer" "EMP Cannon" )
;$Allowed SBanks:        ( "Slayer" )
So the Secondary Bank addition is commented out and GTB Artemis cannot use Slayers. Delete the initial ";" or use the attached fix. (For noobs: extract and place it in ItDoH2 folder\data\tables)

Nevertheless, I would update the "official" download if I were you.

(The only problem for all the people that have reached that mission is that, due to pilot data corruption, you must restart the campaign with a new pilot for the fix to work. As it is only the 4th mission, it isn't too hard to do).

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IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:
  • Please, please, please, READ and UNDERSTAND the sticky threads in FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
    A lot of people are willing to help you, but, as anyone can understand, seeing the very same "issues" repeated again and again can become quite depressing. Please, spend a bit of time trying to solve the issue by yourself.
    (Lobo deserves a monument).
  • Then, if you aren't still able to solve your issue, feel free to ask for help in that same board.
    FYI, most of the troubles are caused by wrong mod installations which lead to either missing data or undesired cross-effects between them. Always follow the mod installation instructions and keep a clean FS2 installation as explained in the sticky threads. Two additional links about how the game handles game data:
  • If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
    Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.

Whoever Hanlon was: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

Dell Dimension 9200 - Vista 32-bit Ultimate
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @2.4GHz - RAM 2 GB DDR2
nvidia 8800 GTX - Integrated Sigmatel Audio
 

Offline Spicious

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #106 on: November 27, 2006, 04:32:21 pm
You know, I just noticed that. You shouldn't have to restart the campaign though.
 

Offline ARSPR

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #107 on: November 27, 2006, 04:36:23 pm
Quote from: Spicious on November 27, 2006, 04:32:21 pm
You know, I just noticed that. You shouldn't have to restart the campaign though.

Well, my actual pilot doesn't work (neither in simulator nor campaign). But if I create a new one, I go to simulator and I play the 4th mission, (through Ctrl+Shift+S), it works. So I have supposed that old pilots can have data corruption (it is a common problem ...).
IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:
  • Please, please, please, READ and UNDERSTAND the sticky threads in FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
    A lot of people are willing to help you, but, as anyone can understand, seeing the very same "issues" repeated again and again can become quite depressing. Please, spend a bit of time trying to solve the issue by yourself.
    (Lobo deserves a monument).
  • Then, if you aren't still able to solve your issue, feel free to ask for help in that same board.
    FYI, most of the troubles are caused by wrong mod installations which lead to either missing data or undesired cross-effects between them. Always follow the mod installation instructions and keep a clean FS2 installation as explained in the sticky threads. Two additional links about how the game handles game data:
  • If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
    Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.

Whoever Hanlon was: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

Dell Dimension 9200 - Vista 32-bit Ultimate
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @2.4GHz - RAM 2 GB DDR2
nvidia 8800 GTX - Integrated Sigmatel Audio
 

Offline Spicious

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #108 on: November 27, 2006, 05:03:10 pm
The 'official' version of chapter 2 at Hades Combine has now been updated. Apart from the Slayer fix, Ch2-9.fs2 has been removed and the music has been converted to ogg. You can find it here.
 

Offline Dark Hunter

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #109 on: November 27, 2006, 05:20:28 pm
ogg music.  :nod: :yes:

How did that typo find its way into the main download? That doesn't happen very often...
"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?" -DEATH, Discworld
 

Offline Spicious

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #110 on: November 27, 2006, 05:43:23 pm
Ok, I've found out why. The Slayer was originally missing from the chapter 2 weapons.tbl so it was commented out from the ships.tbl until I copied the Slayer over from chapter 3 at which point I forgot to uncomment it in the Artemis entry.
 

Offline ARSPR

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #111 on: November 29, 2006, 02:16:50 pm
A small flaw in mission design/ship specs in the 2nd mission of Chapter 4. As it can be spoiler, I post it in dark blue:

In this mission you fly the GTF Daedelus for the very first time, (IIRC). In briefing you are told that it is a stealth fighter, but it actually has no stealth abilities at all. I thought it was an FS2 bug so I studied the ship definition table, and I checked that it has neither the stealth flag nor the $Stealth command. Moreover, in the ship '+Tech description', you are told that it ISN'T a stealth fighter indeed, it is just a bad try. So ship specs would be right.

The problem is that in game you are told it is stealth and you aren't given any info about its cloaking flaw (either within mission or in debriefing). So it can puzzle the user how shivans engage him, even launching homing missiles.

At least that was what happened to me. I thought: "Aha... here I have a FS2 bug."

I think that an small mission redesign, adding some additional chat about not having cloak and a comment about it in debriefing would be great.
IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:
  • Please, please, please, READ and UNDERSTAND the sticky threads in FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
    A lot of people are willing to help you, but, as anyone can understand, seeing the very same "issues" repeated again and again can become quite depressing. Please, spend a bit of time trying to solve the issue by yourself.
    (Lobo deserves a monument).
  • Then, if you aren't still able to solve your issue, feel free to ask for help in that same board.
    FYI, most of the troubles are caused by wrong mod installations which lead to either missing data or undesired cross-effects between them. Always follow the mod installation instructions and keep a clean FS2 installation as explained in the sticky threads. Two additional links about how the game handles game data:
  • If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
    Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.

Whoever Hanlon was: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

Dell Dimension 9200 - Vista 32-bit Ultimate
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @2.4GHz - RAM 2 GB DDR2
nvidia 8800 GTX - Integrated Sigmatel Audio
  

Offline Dark Hunter

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #112 on: November 29, 2006, 02:39:21 pm
Or we could just add a single line in the ships.tbl and make it stealth.
"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?" -DEATH, Discworld
 

Offline ARSPR

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #113 on: November 30, 2006, 11:09:15 am
Quote from: Dark Hunter on November 29, 2006, 02:39:21 pm
Or we could just add a single line in the ships.tbl and make it stealth.

Well, then you'll have to re-write the Tech Description and you'll have to test all the missions where you can use it to check game balance.

(Yesterday, I made it stealth, and then that mission is just a walk around the neighbourhood park  ;) ).
IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:
  • Please, please, please, READ and UNDERSTAND the sticky threads in FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
    A lot of people are willing to help you, but, as anyone can understand, seeing the very same "issues" repeated again and again can become quite depressing. Please, spend a bit of time trying to solve the issue by yourself.
    (Lobo deserves a monument).
  • Then, if you aren't still able to solve your issue, feel free to ask for help in that same board.
    FYI, most of the troubles are caused by wrong mod installations which lead to either missing data or undesired cross-effects between them. Always follow the mod installation instructions and keep a clean FS2 installation as explained in the sticky threads. Two additional links about how the game handles game data:
  • If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
    Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.

Whoever Hanlon was: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

Dell Dimension 9200 - Vista 32-bit Ultimate
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @2.4GHz - RAM 2 GB DDR2
nvidia 8800 GTX - Integrated Sigmatel Audio
 

Offline 666maslo666

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #114 on: November 30, 2006, 01:46:50 pm
Hi, I have some problems with chapter 2 itdoh. Everytime there is a mission with GVD Sokar or GTWc Blackhawk, they are shown as ulysess fighters. I think its missing model. I have downloaded it from hades combine. Anyone had the same problem here? Tried both all chapter vps in different mods or the same mod folder, nothing works. help pls, btw great campaign  :yes:
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci

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Offline Dark Hunter

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #115 on: November 30, 2006, 01:52:19 pm
Each chapter should be in its own mod folder. Now: your Freespace2/data folder should be empty of any tables, because that might cause a problem. If it is... well, I'm not sure.

You are using a fairly recent build of FSopen, right? As in 3.6.9? If not, try it with the new version.

Also: what error messages is the debug build giving you?
"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?" -DEATH, Discworld
 

Offline 666maslo666

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #116 on: December 02, 2006, 10:42:26 am
I think I fixed the problem, it was forgotten flames of war vp in mediavps folder. Anyway thanx for help.  :)
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci

Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win you are still retarded.
 

Offline CKid

Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #117 on: December 10, 2006, 02:51:47 pm
I have the same problem as 666maslo666 with some ships appearing as ulysess fighters. I have the ITDoH2.vp file in Freespace/Data/Missions. I am still pretty new to adding mods on to Freespace so I guess you can call me a noob, but any help would be great because I am losing sleep over how to fix the problem.
If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong
 

Offline Dark Hunter

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Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #118 on: December 10, 2006, 04:45:12 pm
Well, there's your problem. You don't put VP files in the missions folder. You put them in their own folder in the main FS2 folder. Then, in the launcher, you click on the mod tab and select ITDOH2 from the list.
"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?" -DEATH, Discworld
 

Offline CKid

Re: Into the depths of Hell SCP
Reply #119 on: December 10, 2006, 07:13:31 pm
Ok, but then I don't get the new SCP effects.
If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong
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