So I read quickly through the stuff here...and that is a lot.
First I want to ask everyone to keep a cool head.
As to Loafs posting...
The argument made here about me is purposefully inaccurate. Yes, it is true - distinctly true - that I dislike Freespace and blame it for the cancellation of Privateer Online. These are, as suggested here, simple facts about me that can be easily verified in our archive.
Ok
What does not follow, however, is how this is connected to the Saga mod. Ask yourselves: if my hatred of Freespace were connected to a desire to do in Saga, why would it take *five years*? Five years of paying to host their site, five years of running their forums, five years of glowing news reports on our front page. The idea that your recent problems can be blamed on a flew in a single man is entirely wrong.
Furthermore, it was not *my* decision to remove the Wing Commander from the Saga. It was the decision of the entire staff, a group of people who usually function from keeping me in check when I make rash mistakes. You're not facing an angry LOAF, you're facing everyone.
Ok noticed.
Many facts above are similarly misleading. For instance, the claim that czachen's post was removed without comment - there is, quite literally, a comment explaining why it was removed (it was done at his request). Claims of secret deleted posts are wild and inaccurate - looking at our archive can well show why anyone was banned.
Interesting...I have read his post and some of the following...could you show me the one where he asked about the removal?
Consider this in casting me as the sole villain preventing 'Wing Commander/Freespace relations' - I don't post here. How could I possibly be the aggressor? No - it's people like an0n and Kalefierth and Sphynx who come to the Wing Commander side of the street and intentionally start trouble... and then come back here and blame it in grand obscurity on the people whose job it is to shut them down.Y es, Sphynx has been banned - but not for any of the grand lofty reasons he's given you... he came to troll and stayed to insult me personally. Boo.
I can't speak about anon or Kale but Sphynx? Well show me what you mean...other then your "problem" topic that Sphynx mentioned here earlier.
The Saga team was banned and Saga was banned from our news because they have been harassing other mod teams - Freelancer, Nexus and, yes, Homeworld groups. They believe that their decision to copy 3D models from Wing Commander III somehow gives them control over those ships entirely and that they must police the world against anyone else who would dare use ships from the most popular game in the Wing Commander series.
Freelancer has been talked about earlier. Nexus...well I encouradged him do work further and showed interest...how that kills a mod I don't know.
Homeworld...well as you might know we had started as a Homeworld/FS/Heagemonia/whatever mod. We don't had anything to do with the other mod that was running about the same time.
Only thing that I remember was that the guy doing it was asking us not to do the same timeline...but since we canceled that part I didn't see a reason why we should have killed that one.
As for the HW2 mod...Czan stated himself that we didn't do anything...so we also didn't tried on that one.
Speaking of HW2. Their is a similarity to the FL stuff. Czan was totaly upset that someone thought he is using other peoples models. He stated that it is against any modeler ethic to do so. In the FL we found out that someone was using our stuff and where also angry about that.
As you can see their is something about modeler and people doing this stuff that is even if we just rebuild stuff we got a personal connection to it. We do, Czan does and as he stated others also do.
So you don't face a Saga specific thing here but a general common point of view.
Thats just for clearification of my point of view of this special case.
They *know* this is wrong, and so contact people like Bob McDob privately to threaten them. We let them do this and it ruined two projects. If you don't find Saga in the news or a Saga link from the front page at the CIC, *this is why*. We can't stand it no longer.
I know of the FL problem...that had been solved before it was canceled....and what is the second mod?
It is *not* out of hatred for Freespace - a search of our archives will quickly find my joking about how putting Wing Commander into the game will improve Freespace immensly - but because of the actions of the team itself. The project looks great, it should be fun and it certainly sucks that we can't promote it or host it or anything of that sort... but their egos have damaged the rest of the community, and we absolutely had to put a stop to it.
It might be possible that I could except the blame for the FL project....you will still have to do a lot of work their thought...but damaging anything else? I can't see any other damage that has been done.
There, that's it, my "right of reply". Do with it what you will - anyone may contact me privately to discuss the matter further.
Yes that is your right. What form of contact do you prefere? I know you people don't like the PM functino...for what reason ever...so Email or ICQ?
Oh and one thing I nearly forgot...the undeleting was my doing...I wanted to view the topic again an thought I have to undelete it to read ^_^
So now for the fun part...I welcome all the new people here. I hope that this not so happy episode will end soon and that we all can concentrate more on the parts we are here for...me working and you news and discussions.
