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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Pluto's always been a contended topic so it won't be too much trouble I shouldn't think to reduce it just to a large kuiper belt object. I think the fact that it's orbit, which cuts through that of uranus, is highly eliptical points at it being closer to a large comet than anything else.

I believe you meant to say Neptune not Uranus there.
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Charon and Ceres are old news, I didnt know they would be called "Plutons" though..... It conjurs up armies of evil disney dogs. :shaking:
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
But isn't Titan for instance, not from Saturn? Didn't it form the same way planets do? It's certainly larger than Ceres.

Titan is a moon. Here's the thing : If the center of mass of the planetary system (the barycenter) is within the large host planet (as in Titan's case, it's within Saturn, and the Moons case, under the surface of the earth) then it is a moon, not a planet. Otherwise, it's a planet, which is why charon is no longer a moon of pluto, the barycenter is outside of pluto.

We have a really neat set of videos from titan. See a simulation that uses the actual data collected (parts of it are CG, and part of it are the real data mapped onto CG, so it's really neat because it's really a good view of what titan looks like based on real images.)  Video #1

Here's another, less interesting one with just computer data, kind of neat either way. Video #2
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Wait... Ceres? That's an asteroid belt asteroid, right?
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Wait... Ceres? That's an asteroid belt asteroid, right?

It's the largest object in the belt, yes. A potential EA Base ? I think so  :D
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Quite a useful place too. Asteroid belts aren't as dense as scifi or freespace presents them. Only around planets are the asteroids so close together (the rings around some planets).

The Kupiter belt is a good inbetween spot from Earth to Mars to Ceres, and beyond. It is a bit more helpful as it is easily "hidden" and a bit weird where the planet is located.
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Kuiper Belts rock! Why aren't they featured in more campaigns?



EDIT:  :eek: I just realized I made a really bad pun up there. It was totally unintentional, please forgive me!
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
There used to be rumours that the Asteroid Belt was the remains of a planet that broke up, but I seem to recall several holes in the theory. It was spread over too large an area, the orbits made no sense and the mass of all the asteroids would need a rocky planet about twice the size of Earth, which went against physics, since the further out you get in the Solar System, the more likely you are to encounter light substances such as Hydrogen or Helium, not stuff like Silicon and Iron. What a lot of people don't realise is just how big the gap between Mars and Jupiter actually is, it's about the distance from the Sun to Mars iirc.
I suppose many things classify a planet, regular orbits/rotation times, minimal variance to axial tilt for a given value of 'minimal'. Abilty to gravitically hold lighter molecules, thus forming an atmosphere, evidence of multi-stage surface building etc etc, the list goes on....

 

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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Actually from what I recall the mass of all of the asteroids together would still be much smaller than Earth, remember that Ceres is pretty small but consists of a good chunk of the belt's mass.

Needless to say the orbits of the asteroids, and the overall area that the field encompasses does eliminate the "it was once a planet" idea. Possibly *very* early on there was a decent sized protoplanet smashed up in the same period where the moon was formed and Venus got its new funky day.
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Quote from: Wikipedia
With a mass of 9.5×1020 kg, Ceres comprises about a third of the estimated total 3.0±0.2×1021 kg mass of all the asteroids in the solar system

For comparison the Moon has a mass of 7.475×1022 kg, making it more massive than all the asteroids in the solar system

 

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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Hmmm.. that may be a mistake on my part then, or possibly they over-estimated the amount of asteroids yet to be discovered, Still, if that's the case, it hardly qualifies Ceres as a Planet, since it is not independently formed and has no ability to develop any kind of atmosphere. Even pluto has an atmophere, albeit an incredibly thin near-frozen hydrogen one, and Mercury would have one if the Suns' gravity would let it.

 
Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
I would like to repeat:

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Experts sitting on IAU's planet definition committee - composed of astronomers, historians and writers - concluded that in future a planet should be defined as a celestial body that is big enough for its gravity field to form a near-spherical shape.


Not spherical, near-spherical.... and that Ceres definitely is.
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Both 1 Ceres and 4 Vista are semi-spherical due to their own gravity, and probably formed just like the planets.

 

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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Wait... Ceres? That's an asteroid belt asteroid, right?

It's the largest object in the belt, yes. A potential EA Base ? I think so  :D

Electronic Arts? Extraterrestrials? :nervous:

Kuiper Belts rock! Why aren't they featured in more campaigns?



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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
what ? You never played inferno or Sol A:History ?

Try Earth Alliance.
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Errr.... I think I played Inferno under an SCP build until it got crashy and uncooperative halfway through, at which point I gave up... I think... it's all kinda hazy...
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
what ? You never played inferno or Sol A:History ?

Try Earth Alliance.

Surely you meant to say Babylon 5 ;)
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
Different EA, but whatever works...  :p
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Re: Solar system to welcome three new planets
As of yesterday...

The Solar system says goodbye to our smallest planet. Pluto has been removed from, and been reclassified as a Dwarf Planet. The orbit around the sun being at an angle, and crossing orbits has taken it off the possible classification as a planet.
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