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Offline Unknown Target

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The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
I know this will spark a ****storm of flames and debate, but can we keep the political half of this aircraft under wraps? I just thought I should show this video; this aircraft's maneuverability is insane:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GMGk1Mny-Y8

Read this article as well, if you're interested :):

http://www.airspacemag.com/issues/2006/august-september/FEATURE-raptor.php
« Last Edit: August 19, 2006, 08:30:50 pm by Unknown Target »

 

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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
Cool, what I really wish to see is one of those F-35 flying, altough its not as cool as some of the things those Sukhoi fighters can do.

 

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...this aircraft's maneuverability is insane

It's also the first aircraft capable of executing a J-turn.  Basically, it can go one direction, cut it's engines, flip 180 degrees, so it's pointing the way it came from, then go to full power.  Really nasty if you happen to be on the F-22's 6 o'clock.
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Yeah, pretty neat, but if you really want air tricks look up the X-31 EFM. :D
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So it can flip like a Viper? :D

 

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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
I do think that the F-22 plus the AIM-9X will be absolute killer in close in combat.  Stealth won't matter too much at that point but the capability of the aircraft to manuever in insanely high angles of attack and the capability of the missile to exceed that significantly will mean an incredible close in ability that US fighters haven't had much of an edge in for a while.  The Su-27 with R-77 missiles has had that solidly in its grasp for a while...but no longer.

Interested to see the first F-35 production model flying at some point as well.

Which reminds me but the F-35 is now known as the Lightning II as well.  Just recently named.  Drawing from the heritage of Lockheed's P-38 Lightning and English Electrics Lightning.  EE becoming BAe later on.
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Does the F-35 has any stealth capabilities? Honestly, how much worth is stealth today? The costs of the F-22 alone are absurd, the F-35 wont be cheap in any fo its versions as well and, IMO, inst taking down the enemy more important than not beeing seen?

  

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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
The comments on that youtube video are quite amusing.

This one being my personal favorite.

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it does not use outdated technology but copies other countrys old ideas and then the teams that built it say god bless america.when they should be saying god bless africa or sweeden or russia.
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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
Does the F-35 has any stealth capabilities? Honestly, how much worth is stealth today? The costs of the F-22 alone are absurd, the F-35 wont be cheap in any fo its versions as well and, IMO, inst taking down the enemy more important than not beeing seen?

It does... moreso than the current stealth "fighter"

 

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The comments on that youtube video are quite amusing.

This one being my personal favorite.

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it does not use outdated technology but copies other countrys old ideas and then the teams that built it say god bless america.when they should be saying god bless africa or sweeden or russia.

Ever heard of a company named Saab?

 

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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
Does the F-35 has any stealth capabilities? Honestly, how much worth is stealth today? The costs of the F-22 alone are absurd, the F-35 wont be cheap in any fo its versions as well and, IMO, inst taking down the enemy more important than not beeing seen?

They have a saying about how a non-stealth aircraft fighting a high-performance stealth aircraft would turn out: Clubbing baby seal.

Alternatively, consider trying to fight in a boxing match where you don't even realize your opponent is in the ring.
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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
The comments on that youtube video are quite amusing.

This one being my personal favorite.

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it does not use outdated technology but copies other countrys old ideas and then the teams that built it say god bless america.when they should be saying god bless africa or sweeden or russia.

Ever heard of a company named Saab?

Yes, but I've never heard of them doing anything truly new either.
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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
Does the F-35 has any stealth capabilities? Honestly, how much worth is stealth today? The costs of the F-22 alone are absurd, the F-35 wont be cheap in any fo its versions as well and, IMO, inst taking down the enemy more important than not beeing seen?
Yes it does.  If you notice the shape of the aircraft, its designed much like the F-22 with IR shielded engine exhaust and an intake shape that shields the radar from bouncing off the turbines.  Apparently depending on the level of technology trade with the nation buying the aircraft will determine how stealth the F-35 is.  So some countries like Britain, Italy and Canada if we buy them will have the best stealth signature while another country outside of the big contributing members and maybe not quite as friendly to the US will only get partial stealth.

The merits of stealth are questionable these days.  Planes like the Typhoon and Gripen also have stealth characteristics that make them far and above more stealth than anything they are replacing.  The size of the radar signatures of new generation aircraft are much smaller on the whole.  The F-22 and F-35 take that to the highest possible level with the smallest of signatures.  It doesn't mean they are completely invisible.  A sophisticated ground radar tracking system is likely to be able to roughly distinguish a stealth aircraft.  In the future apparently radar stations will have technology that can detect wake turbulence from the aircrafts engines so having a generaly knowledge that they are there will still exist.  But thats all ground radar...putting that into a jet fighter or missile will be hard.

Nonetheless...they aren't impervious.  If you got into visual range its going to be essentially like fighting any other aircraft.   With a good missile seeker you'll still be able to down a stealth aircraft.  Particularly using a IR missile.  One Air Force General was quoted as saying that a Mig-21 pilot, if he was on the tail of a B-2 Stealth bomber would still be able to shoot at the B-2 using a AA-2 Atoll missile which is a very old weapon.  So they aren't totally invisibile...but it gives you an edge.

If you're talking modern warfare where the terrorists might have a primitive shoulder launched radar guided SAM then stealth is a huge benefit because its almost impossible for him to get a lock.  Against an enemy with the very latest radar, datalink, and SAM missiles...he'll have a chance but it'll be very hard.  Which is why the F-22 and F-35 are so capable in other ways as conventional aircraft.
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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
Does the F-35 has any stealth capabilities? Honestly, how much worth is stealth today? The costs of the F-22 alone are absurd, the F-35 wont be cheap in any fo its versions as well and, IMO, inst taking down the enemy more important than not beeing seen?

Both the F-22 and F-35 have some stealth capability.  But the F-22 has a much more...interesting...form of stealth.  It can be fitted with a chameleon skin.  It works by having a series of photosensors embedded in the skin.  These sensors pick up the frequency of ambient light.  The color frequency is then sent to a computer when then runs a specific current through the chameleon skin.  The skin then changes color to match the surrounding environment.  The color can be adjusted by varying the current put through the skin.

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I just think that development on technologies to counter stealth will definitely pick up now and that in some time both will nulify each other making both useless. I already know of the stealth capabilities of the F-22, I just didnt know much about the F-35 since its new.

 

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there was a air show around here recently, the day before I was driveing home when I noticed a fighter jet doing manuvers, I had a hard time identifying it at first untill I realised it was proobly an f22, after seeing the footage I'm sure that's what it was, and the thing could pull some manuvers! I almost got into a few wrecks watching the thing.
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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
Does the F-35 has any stealth capabilities? Honestly, how much worth is stealth today? The costs of the F-22 alone are absurd, the F-35 wont be cheap in any fo its versions as well and, IMO, inst taking down the enemy more important than not beeing seen?

Both the F-22 and F-35 have some stealth capability.  But the F-22 has a much more...interesting...form of stealth.  It can be fitted with a chameleon skin.  It works by having a series of photosensors embedded in the skin.  These sensors pick up the frequency of ambient light.  The color frequency is then sent to a computer when then runs a specific current through the chameleon skin.  The skin then changes color to match the surrounding environment.  The color can be adjusted by varying the current put through the skin.

Now the enemy can't see you, even if they are lucky enough to get on your six.
Never heard of that in all of the reading I've done on it...
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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
I've never heard about that skin either, although I've heard of it being tested (not on a real aircraft though).
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Does the F-35 has any stealth capabilities? Honestly, how much worth is stealth today? The costs of the F-22 alone are absurd, the F-35 wont be cheap in any fo its versions as well and, IMO, inst taking down the enemy more important than not beeing seen?

The F-35 does have stealth capabilties, and in fact I believe it will cost less than the F-22, although it lacks some of the more advanced features (supercruise being a major one I think).
And if the enemy can't see you, you can kill more with one aircraft than you could with ten ;)

 

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The F-35 does have stealth capabilties, and in fact I believe it will cost less than the F-22, although it lacks some of the more advanced features (supercruise being a major one I think).
And if the enemy can't see you, you can kill more with one aircraft than you could with ten ;)

A question then, I know the three variants of the F-35 use the same materials, what percentage I dont know for sure but I heard is near 80%, since each variant serves a specifical role, do all of them present the same level of stealth or do they vary between variants?

 

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Re: The F-22 Raptor (neat video)
I'm not quite sure, I haven't looked too much into it. I would assume that they're all close to the same stealth capacity, but don't quote me on that.