[NGTM-1R]

The trouble is just that, how to tell the difference? I wouldn't be too swift in judging between depressed and "depressed" people.

As clinical depression is the result of a chemical imbalance, it ought to be possible to test for it, correct? It didn't get in DSM-IV by being unquantifible. Granted this is not of use to you and me, but hopefully the people who put together the statistics were smart enough to go on actual testing.

For you and me, we are reduced to judging on behavior...which is how initial diagonsis is almost always made, so there is obviously something to it. In fact a mere claim of depression is often a good clue that someone is lying. Those suffering from clinical depression rarely realize it on their own. It's one of those things where the shape of it is much more easily percieved from the outside, like most mental disorders. Unless you believe you have depression because a pyschatrist said so, it's likely a delusion.

[IceFire]

I'm inclined to agree. Depression may have its placed but I'm fairly sure that there aren't that many depressed people out there.

A great number of people are suffering from really bad depress...some of them won't admit it, some of them do and are taking drugs for it...if you've not suffered from it...you really don't know how bad it is and what it can do to you.  That said...it doesn't necessarily link with obesity.

[Sarafan]

Want people to stop being fat and/or depressed? Simple, stop giving them junk food and stop telling them that they have to be perfect , also give some ****ing education to people, why depression is more common today? Because most people treat you like a piece of trash and laugh at you, its easier to do that than to treat people with respect.

[BS403]

I think that every year, we should take one fat person and force feed them and see how big they get before they explode.

I've tryed that . . .
On myself.
Couldn't make myself explode though

How to combat obesity? Easy!

1. Get rid of the supersize option, or enforce far more stringent guidelines on what kind of foodstuffs should be put into fast-food.

2. Stop saying "you look lovely" when you know they look like an elephant.

3. Don't buy your kid that new Nintendo for Christmas. Get them a bike or some roller skates and send them out into the big bad world to get some good old healthy exercise.

4. Chocolate is not a fruit.

There. Sorted. And if you're still incapable of saying "no" to that fourth hamburger for breakfast then you should have any health benefits you have revoked as you clearly don't care about your own health, so why should anyone else.

Aww! but thats how I live my life, except 5 hambergers for breakfast.
edit was feeling to lazy to fix it but i did

[Mefustae]

sorry for the double post

[Blue Lion]

But how can you up your post count that way?

[WeatherOp]

Bah, the real reason is global warming, it gets too hot for fat people to go burn off the gut.

[an0n]

Depression is not an illness.

Obesity is not an illness.

Depression is 'being sad'. That's not a disease - that's being a pussy. I am by far the single most depressed person any of you will ever meet, talk to or know in any capacity, but you don't see me whining about the nihilistic nature of the universe (much) - because I'm not a pussy. People who claim to be 'suffering from depression' are just sad and too lazy/whiny/defeatist to just ****ing ignore it and get on with life. They're looking for an excuse to be the center of attention, to be special, to have everyone tell them they're nice and fluffy and a beautiful, beautiful butterfly.

Pussies.

Life is pain. Deal with it.

Now, on to obesity.

As a fat man, I consider obesity to be solely the result of being lazy as a mother****er. You can whine all you want about genetic disorder and inherited predispositions to fat accumulation, but all that's saying is "some people have to work harder to lose weight" - big ****ing shock. So you work harder and get thin. It's not that difficult to understand.

Yes, your genetic make-up may result in a slightly lower metabolic rate than your peers, but if you ****ing exercise you'll still get thinner - it'll just take longer. Therefore genetics becomes an excuse for people to remain fat, because - being fat - they've already proven they're lazy ****s and 'I come from a fat family' is just their pudgy little mantra so they can feel better about being an exercise-deficient sack of ****.

[aldo_14]

[an0n]

Tell me I'm wrong.

If someone cries about their girlfriend leaving them, they get their friends telling them to grow the **** up and get laid.

Someone cries because they don't like their life, suddenly it's depression and the kiddy gloves come out.

**** 'em. They need a slap.

[aldo_14]

It's just amusing to see you using the same tactics over and over again to get attention.

[an0n]

If I wanted attention, I'd've Goatse'd the place by now.

I'm just a big ol' bundle of festering rage.

[aldo_14]

If I wanted attention, I'd've Goatse'd the place by now.

No, if you wanted banned you would have.  But who's going to give you attention if you're banned?

[Herra Tohtori]

Depression is not an illness.

 

There is a difference between being depressed (as in every day use, describing the feeling on monday mornings) and clinical depression.

Much like there's a difference in being retarded and just behaving like one.


You have been told to be wrong in this matter; clinical depression is an illness because it messes your brain.

If you get ill and, say, you get a diarrhoea, how would you like if people came to you and just told you to shut the **** up and eat your food? Because it's the same frakking thing; a part of your body ceases to function normally.

Clinical depression is a disturbance in brains just like diarrhoea is disturbance of digestation organs. Regardless of what causes it, it's very very real once you have it.

If you don't get it after this second time these things are explained to you, you either are really as daft as you seem to be in this matter, or alternatively you've done a lot of practice. In either case, I'm done proving your opinion utterly false, because it doesn't seem to have any effect to your opinion. If you want to think like you do, you sure are entitled to have an opinion, but denying obvious is just plain stupid.  

"Tell me I'm wrong."

It's difficult to tell something to someone who obviously doesn't want to hear it. You have already been told the reasons why clinical depression is to be considered as an illness; yet you still ask us to tell you you're wrong... Creationists do that all the time, they claim to have reasons why evolution can not work, and every time their "reasons" are shot down they just repeat them as if they were some incredible incantation making things like they want them to be.

That said, I'm inclined to agree to aldo's analysis of you trying to get attention, and you know what, you've gotten it, but not for yourself but because I don't want to leave your claims unfalsified. If you're not trying to get attention, get us some actual arguments behind your claims of clinical depression not being an illness, not just some ridiculous anecdotes of someone losing their girlfriend and needing a slap.

[an0n]

So your entire argument for 'clinical depression' being an illness is that it affects your brain?

Eating too much sugar affects your brain. But you don't see the doctor forking out syringes full of insulin to every fat man with a donut, do ya?

[aldo_14]

Sugar does not alter brain chemistry, such as changing hormonal levels.

[an0n]

Fine.

Eating cheap burgers affects your brain. All them cow-hormones gotta be doing something to you. But you don't see the butcher handing out informational pamphlets on what to do if you start lactating and eating grass.

[aldo_14]

Fine.

Eating cheap burgers affects your brain. All them cow-hormones gotta be doing something to you. But you don't see the butcher handing out informational pamphlets on what to do if you start lactating and eating grass.

If burgers did make people lactate and eat grass, you bloody well would see informational pamphlets and psychiatry programmes addressed to deal with it.

[an0n]

Yes, I kinda forgot what my point was and went for cheap laughs.

Oh, right, depression isn't an illness. I remember now.

Just because something affects the hormonal balance in your brain doesn't mean it's an illness. There are all kinds of **** that affect your hormonal level. ****, by that rational you can call PMSing an illness....

Okay, bad example. But you get the idea.

[Colonol Dekker]

Re: Obesuty, I've said this since i was about 13 and fat kids moaned during PE,

There are a thousand an one excuse for putting on weight, But there are NO EXUSES at all for not getting off your fat arse and doing something about it..........

Exercise makes you fitter and thinner, its that simple.....