[Flipside]

True, I suspect the truth of the matter is that the American Government thought exactly the same thing those scientists do....

Prof Jones said: "We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone.

It's just that they both came to different conclusions as to 'who helped whom'.

[aldo_14]

Another thing is, they wouldn't need 4 planes for a nation uniting conspiracy - one would do.  In fact, they probably wouldn't have to do anything so damaging as crash them into targets on American soil.

[Flipside]

Problem is, you can second guess yourself round in circles, throwing in arguments like 'What if the US government realised that no-one would ever believe that a Government would fly 4 planes into it's own home soil, and that's why they got away with it?'

As someone said earlier, this is going to be another Kennedy.

[Fineus]

Do we really want to look at the cause, or shall we look at the effect?

And the effect is massive. For the price of a few thousand lives, the US government can now do more or less what it likes in the name of anti-terrorism measures... and like the fat people in the obesity thread, nobody (official) has the gonads to say "you got hit, and it does suck - but take it on the chin and keep a watchful eye on your borders - but you can't invade other countries however you feel like it."

As for the UK? Well our goverment is loving it as well. While 7/7 wasn't anywhere near as grand (though it was my birthday, woo!) - it was also a lisence to keep the entire populace on a tight leash. The entire white middle class populace at any rate - the immigrants can do what they like apparently.

[aldo_14]

Don't forget the consequential economic crash, of course.

[an0n]

This is why 'slaughtering all the politicians' is part of my sprawling plan for global domination.

[Flipside]

Oh, theres no doubt that regardless of who did it, the Governments have deliberately used it to tighten their control on the population, not just in the UK and US either, a lot of Middle Eastern countries have used this as an excuse to 'stamp down'. This is possibly why we are seeing a slow increase in Terrorism in the Borderline friendly states.

The Labour Government will not, in my opinion, pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq until it has at least introduced ID cards and fingerprint logging on children when they start school in  the UK. Regardless of how it started, the 'War on Terror' continues because both our governments made really constricting statements of principal and cannot back down from them. If 'We don't talk to Terrorists', then why this is how almost every situation like this gets solved, I'm certain both the British and American readers remember that the UK governement 'Did not negotiate' with the IRA for a long long time, and it took a third country to intervene. Unfortunately, there's no real country that can walk up to the US and knock it about the head with it's own pig-headedness on the matter, as they did with us.

[Blue Lion]

As someone far more famous than me already said, it can't be a conspiricy because the people who have "proof" and lending it weight are still alive.

If you assume there is a massive coverup involving thousands of people. People had to come up with the plan. Everyday (relatively) people had to plant the explosives, then detonate. Evacuate the buildings while explosives were being put in without people knowing. People who investigated 9/11 to lie about DNA evidence. The people on the planes had to be moved and convinced never to talk to their families again. (since we believe no plane hit the Pentagon, those people had to go somewhere). You had to kill all the terrorists so they couldn't show up later. And you had to pray the terrorists actually claimed they did it.

You think this massive (and it would have to be truly massive) conspiricy could be uncovered by a bunch of college kids with too much free time?

So they could pass some laws? And invade a country? Seriously? If you could pull off something like that, shoot for total world domination.

It reminds me of something I saw when I was watching a documentary about the Kennedy assassination. That if you put Oswald and Kennedy on a scale, they didn't match. JFK was far too important to be killed by Oswald, so there had to be more so it could even out.

[Ulala]

Neo-conservatives.. 

Oh and:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

I've heard many a conspiracy, but haven't heard the one of an "object" hitting the pentagon instead of a plane?

[NGTM-1R]

One of the fundemental points that causes stuff like this is quite simple, but nobody ever seems to understand it. You are only as safe as your enemies think you are. Invincibility exists in the minds of your opponents more then it does as a matter of fact.

People think 9/11 was some kind of colossal enterprise requiring great sums of money and true genius to defeat the US. It was no such thing. It only required 19 men, some flight training (which to be honest you could probably have picked up from Microsoft Flight Simulator), some X-Acto knives, the will to do it, and enough common sense not to talk about it.

What keeps people in intelligence and security organizations up at night is precisely the fact that it is not that difficult to accomplish such things. In the end it is our fortune that whatever pyschological conditions give people the aforementioned will to do it also tend to cause them to in effect finger themselves by talking about it. The ones who do not talk are the ones that succeed, but it is a lesson that for some reason has never sunk in; perhaps it can't. Lee Harvey Oswald could do what he did because he never displayed the slightest interest in it beforehand. The hunt for Unabomber took years because Mr. Kazanky kept his mouth shut and didn't do anything suspicious openly.

Intelligence and security agencies are ultimately hamstrung by the fact the other guy has to screw up first. The US has particularly good security, and very slight screwups will bring the whole world down on your head. But the other guy still has to screw up.

[karajorma]

As someone said earlier, this is going to be another Kennedy.

Of course it is. The Kennedy assassination really ****ed up America.

[Flipside]

I suppose this is the price you pay for Freedom of Speech, unfortunately, its existence allows for the likes of the Jack Thompsons, and the 'Moon Landing Hoaxers' all the way up those with more directly offensive opinions, such as Fred Phelps and Ann Coulter.

But I think to a certain degree, the very existence of those kind of people in the public eye proves that Freedom of Speech is still working. I just wish there were some way of testing whether those opinions are real opinions or deliberately picked to exploit the First Amendment for personal gain, I suspect the latter far far more than the former in most cases.

[an0n]

As someone said earlier, this is going to be another Kennedy.

Of course it is. The Kennedy assassination really ****ed up America.

Not according to Red Dwarf....

[Mefustae]

...and the 'Moon Landing Hoaxers'

Don't go there, man.

[an0n]

Yeah, there's very little oxygen...

[aldo_14]

Lots of whalers, though.

[Mefustae]

Oh for the love of...

[Ulala]

...Mike.

[Sandwich]

You rang?

[redmenace]

http://flixya.com/911-conspiracy-theory-cover-up