[Kazan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn7qCzV5sNM

[Blue Lion]

Simple typo maybe? 

[Kazan]

yeah... right

MSNBC calls out the right wing noise machine on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPCSm90eSiE

[Ford Prefect]

I think John Stewart had the best commentary on the reaction from the right-wing windbags:

"By the way, equating a 52-year-old congressman who preys on 16-year-olds with being gay may be one reason the GOP is accused of gay-bashing."

Seriously, how old is Newt Gingrich? Twelve? Because that's about how old I thought you had to be in order to confuse preying on minors with homosexuality.

[Ace]

Gotta love faux news. Changing people's parties when it suits 'em

"In other news, Hillary Clinton is now a Republican after she had a conversation with Rupert H. Murdock and now he likes her..."

Now I understand how Voltaire felt- 'God granted me one wish, and that was to make my enemies rediculous.'

[NGTM-1R]

Because that's about how old I thought you had to be in order to confuse preying on minors with homosexuality.

In all fairness, they were male minors.

[Flipside]

Indeed, but it's not the fact that they were male that forced him to resign, though, no doubt, had they been legal males, the party would still have rounded on him.

[Ford Prefect]

In all fairness, they were male minors.

Yes, and someone who thinks that a 52-year-old man cybering with a 16-year-old boy is part of a normal behavioral pattern for homosexuals has some catching up to do. So, Gingrich and the other geniuses who are using this asinine argument are either completely out of touch, or terribly obtuse. (Probably both.)

[Kazan]

the gender of victims of pedophiles has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the pedophile - don't like that fact try arguing with the entire pyschological community

99% of minors victimized are victimized by hetereosexual males, irreguardless of gender of the victim

[Mefustae]

the gender of victims of pedophiles has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the pedophile - don't like that fact try arguing with the entire pyschological community

99% of minors victimized are victimized by hetereosexual males, irreguardless of gender of the victim

But respectable, christian Republicans just don't do that! He must have been an Democratic atheist gay. It's the only logical conclusion.

[Janos]

Hahahahaha right wing discussion forums and commentators are so confused now. Somehow they manage to blame democrats about this (Republican congressman doing something stupid). Favourites right now are "this is a non-issue" (well lolll) and "this is a diversion" (loffff), also something about "jumping the shark" (wtf) and "liberal media blitzkrieg" (that's awesome, i mean fox is only the most watched cable network in usa or something).

[Unknown Target]

So...how long until the Democrats drop the ball on this one and it's completely forgotten?

[NGTM-1R]

the gender of victims of pedophiles has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the pedophile - don't like that fact try arguing with the entire pyschological community

99% of minors victimized are victimized by hetereosexual males, irreguardless of gender of the victim

Go argue with the State of New York, son. You know, folks who have actual legal authority.

16 is legal age there. So had it occurred in the State of New York, he'd be merely gay instead of pedophilac. Let's be honest here; the difference in maturity between 16 and 18 is not that much, physically or mentally.

Also, I would point out that the bit about heterosexual males is nonsensical; if the victim is male then, frankly, they are at least bisexual; being attracted to another male is what being homosexual is, nobody's ever tried to attach an age requirement to it until you showed up.

This came up in my philosophy class yesterday; we draw a distinction between pedophilia commited on a boy by a mature male, and being homosexual, that is artifical at best. Perhaps because we have a societal need to vilify pedophilia, but we don't vilify homosexuality anymore. The same can be said of drawing a distinction between heterosexual behavior and pedophilia. Pedophilia represents a subset of either or both behaviors, not a totally seperate thing.

[Kazan]

you go argue with the Journal of Pediatrics, because quite frankly your laymen's opinion means jack**** in comparision.


The sex of the victim of molestation has NOTHING to do with the sexual orientation of the adult.  If you are incapable of understanding how it is such that is because you don't know **** on the subject.

[Unknown Target]

*Wanders into thread*

*Remembers that he is not allowed to antagonize Kazan*

*Wanders back out of thread*

*Snickers to self*

[Freespace Freak]

the gender of victims of pedophiles has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the pedophile - don't like that fact try arguing with the entire pyschological community

99% of minors victimized are victimized by hetereosexual males, irreguardless of gender of the victim

Go argue with the State of New York, son. You know, folks who have actual legal authority.

16 is legal age there. So had it occurred in the State of New York, he'd be merely gay instead of pedophilac. Let's be honest here; the difference in maturity between 16 and 18 is not that much, physically or mentally.

Also, I would point out that the bit about heterosexual males is nonsensical; if the victim is male then, frankly, they are at least bisexual; being attracted to another male is what being homosexual is, nobody's ever tried to attach an age requirement to it until you showed up.

This came up in my philosophy class yesterday; we draw a distinction between pedophilia commited on a boy by a mature male, and being homosexual, that is artifical at best. Perhaps because we have a societal need to vilify pedophilia, but we don't vilify homosexuality anymore. The same can be said of drawing a distinction between heterosexual behavior and pedophilia. Pedophilia represents a subset of either or both behaviors, not a totally seperate thing.

Word.     Basically, this guy is both a pedopheliac and a homosexual, or at least has homosexual tendencies.  Having sex with underage boys doesn't make it "hey he's a pedo, but not a homo."  Just because the people he had sex with hadn't yet hit the magical age of 18 doesn't change the situation.  Show me a 16 year old side-by-side with an 18 year old and give me proof that you can physically tell which one is which, because you can't.  As ngtm1r said, there's not much difference, really.

[Kazan]

and you're COMPLETELY ignoring the psychology of pedophilia -

Simple Fact - published in the foremost peer reviewed journal on pediatrics in this country - 99% of all victims of molestation, both male and female, are victimized by hetereosexual males.  The psychology of pedophilia is independant of the psychology/drives of homosexual/bisexual/homosexual trichotomy - you can score a ZERO on the Kinsey Scale and still victimize children of the same sex. 

[NGTM-1R]

Allow me to summarize: IRREVELANT.

If one is attracted to little boys, then they are still attracted to males, and if they are male themselves, that fits the dictionary and the pyschological definitions of homosexuality, does it not? You can twist and dodge and toss red herrings right and left, but it doesn't matter. It still conforms to the definition. Why, then, is it not considered that way? Why does it recieve preferential treatment? Why should we not consider it a subset of homosexual behavior?

If your testing methods say this is wrong, then I'm afraid your testing has a problem. Specifically, it needs to bridge the gap between the definition of homosexual behavior it's testing for and the totality of such a behavior. It is too narrowly defining the subject.

[Blue Lion]

So, just to clarify. If they catch a farmer having sex with his animals, he's gay cause the cow's a guy? K, got it.

(On a side note.. ewwwwwwwwww)

[Kazan]

no ngtm1r, NOT irrelevant.

Listen VERY CAREFULLY

it's NOT MALES they're attracted specifically - to it's pre-pubesent children - both male and female - \


that's the definition of pedophilia, so technically being attracted to 16-year-old males ISN'T pedophilia strictly speaking


it's not the testing methods that are the problem, it's your STUBBORN IGNORANT JACKASS REFUSAL TO ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN.


**** ngtm1r you're a goddamn moron