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Offline aldo_14

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I doubt we'll ever see Starbuck again or know what was going on other than her being completely crazy.

According to everyone involved, this is not true...but I don't fully trust them.

Apparently something... interesting happens in ep19 which might shed some light.

 
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I remember the promos they had for this season... one will die, one will realize he/she is a Cylon, one will find Earth...

I have this nagging feeling that Starbuck is going to be the one to find Earth first... just a hunch of course...
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good riddance, whore!

also, calling "tub of goo" scene in season finale
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Lee Oben's gonna die.
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Re: BSG Season 3 premier.
I doubt we'll ever see Starbuck again or know what was going on other than her being completely crazy.

According to everyone involved, this is not true...but I don't fully trust them.

Apparently something... interesting happens in ep19 which might shed some light.
Yeah I've gotta second that. I figured it was pretty final watching it...but in reading some of the comments from the head honchos...Starbuck isn't gone forever.  They certainly didn't kill her like they did Kat.

The one thing is that now they are down two very important Viper pilots...I wonder if some of the others will get more screen time and how good those pilots really are.
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Starbuck's not dead. There's no way. Worst case scenario, she's one of the final 5 Cylons, that body died, and was resurrected wherever the final five resurrect (Earth? :lol: ). But forget about that, didn't you guys catch the shot where she reaches for the ejection handle?
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But forget about that, didn't you guys catch the shot where she reaches for the ejection handle?
They're going to have to work pretty dang hard to sell the idea that Starbuck managed to eject, float around deep in the atmosphere of a highly radioactive Gas Giant, and get picked up by the Cylons, all without being seen by Lee who was only about 100 bloody metres away.

 

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Somehow, in the space of a half-dozen episodes, I've gone from a slobbering BSG fanboy to someone who just... doesn't care.  At all. Since Ron Moore nerfed the Cylons, BSG has become a show with no real antagonist, forcing the writers to resort to inflicting personality-of-the-week on their cast in a flailing attempt to create character drama.
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IMO, one of the best parts of the ep was Adama's final moment destroying his model ship. As it turns out, the ship itself was a museum piece worth hundreds of thousands of dollars that had been temporarily loaned to the studio, and Olmos completely ripped the ****ing thing apart on an unscripted whim when he was in the moment. Perfectly acted scene, but a tad expensive. :p
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IMO, one of the best parts of the ep was Adama's final moment destroying his model ship. As it turns out, the ship itself was a museum piece worth hundreds of thousands of dollars that had been temporarily loaned to the studio, and Olmos completely ripped the ****ing thing apart on an unscripted whim when he was in the moment. Perfectly acted scene, but a tad expensive. :p

Which is precisely why Edward James Olmos is the daddy.

 

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Somehow, in the space of a half-dozen episodes, I've gone from a slobbering BSG fanboy to someone who just... doesn't care.  At all. Since Ron Moore nerfed the Cylons, BSG has become a show with no real antagonist, forcing the writers to resort to inflicting personality-of-the-week on their cast in a flailing attempt to create character drama.

Methinks you're just going through filleritis. Wait for the season finale build-up. :)

IMO, one of the best parts of the ep was Adama's final moment destroying his model ship. As it turns out, the ship itself was a museum piece worth hundreds of thousands of dollars that had been temporarily loaned to the studio, and Olmos completely ripped the ****ing thing apart on an unscripted whim when he was in the moment. Perfectly acted scene, but a tad expensive. :p

You've got to be kidding me. As I watched that scene, I was thinking to myself, "Hmm, interesting that they never showed the whole ship till it was trashed... I bet it was a mock replica he trashed."

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BTW, from here: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/03/the_death_of_st.html

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As far as the remaining three episodes of the season go, I can say without spoiling anything that they are, like Sunday’s Starbuck episode, a rousing return to form after some uneven standalone episodes

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...every single one of my favorite shows has had a frustrating episode or two. That’s just the nature of the beast. And it's my opinion that the last four episodes of the season more than make up for any wobbles earlier in Season 3.
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Use? What do you mean?

Sorry Dublinspeak. Yeah was it any good? I might check it out so.

But yeah that episode was class. I think they did a good job showing how starbuck, dispite what went on through the last 3 seasons, is still exactly the same mess of a human(?)being that she always was. Like when Lee was trying to figure out what was up with her and she still makes allusions to whatevers between them. Well, as messed up at least until the last few seconds. And then possibly messed up in a very different way.

But I have no doubts she'll be back, in some shape or form. There is that whole unresolved subplot built around her and Leoben. What I want to know is how are they going to keep Anders in the show now apart from the weepy funeral scene.
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I remember the promos they had for this season... one will die, one will realize he/she is a Cylon, one will find Earth...

I have this nagging feeling that Starbuck is going to be the one to find Earth first... just a hunch of course...

Well, they've already killed two......

 

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I actually wonder if those "three" are all one: Starbuck.
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What I want to know is how are they going to keep Anders in the show now apart from the weepy funeral scene.
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Somehow, in the space of a half-dozen episodes, I've gone from a slobbering BSG fanboy to someone who just... doesn't care.  At all. Since Ron Moore nerfed the Cylons, BSG has become a show with no real antagonist, forcing the writers to resort to inflicting personality-of-the-week on their cast in a flailing attempt to create character drama.
My sentiments somewhat. But I have no doubt that Grand Things will happen and the following episodes will redeem everything. Actually, it's only the half-dozen mid-season episodes which lacked Cylons and in any case not all of the filler sucked (Kat biting it, Dirty Hands).

I have this nagging feeling that Starbuck is going to be the one to find Earth first... just a hunch of course...
Doubtless. The innuendo was too thick to ignore. And Moore/Eick would be stupid to throw away one of the, if not the best developed, most beloved characters.

  

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I've always thought Kara will be the one to lead them to Earth...but that's me :)

But yea, I have trouble bringing myself to care enough to watch BSG episodes. I usually watch them a week late. I just watched this week and last week's eps tonight. But after this episode, I'm definitely going to clue in :)

 

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The tension is definitely building up towards a grande finale.

The question remains who/what was the dude posing as Leoben in Kara's head ? I've got the feeling that Moore doesn't intend those in-head illusions to be just the people going crazy, but that they are something else. I'm still putting my money on the Cylon god, who/whatever that is.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final scene of season 3 would be Starbuck resurrecting on Earth.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the final scene of season 3 would be Starbuck resurrecting on Earth.

...in Times Square! :lol:
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I'm still putting my money on the Cylon god, who/whatever that is.

But, isn't that one of the base eh.... contradictions, no thats not right can't think of the word,... paradigms/parallaxes/points (?) that this 'Cylon' God, who they believe directs them to exterminate humanity, is, once they reach Earth, going to be the God that the humans there worship. For the most part.

I guess I always just assumed that Earth in the show would be our Earth. Maybe thats a subconcious thing from what I've heard about the original series.
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Well, I just watched this past week's episode (The Son Also Rises). Cool to see Firefly's Badger make an appearance - IIRC that's now two Firefly-BSG connections, the first being in the miniseries, when you see a Firefly-class vessel taking off through the window in the doctor's office before he tells the then-Education Minister that she has cancer.

Anyway, perhaps it's because I'm not feeling well, but was that episode as confusing as I thought it was? Perhaps vague is a better term. I mean, I realize that Badger (whatever his BSG name is) was "borrowing" all that stuff to find out about people, the better to fight his case. But it seemed to me that in his actual meetings with both Baltar and Six, nothing was really said. It was a bunch of vague pretty words... right? :nervous:
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