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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ support
he changed his mind.
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Flip-flop! :p

 

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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ support
When we went to war with Iraq I was 14 and about 3/4 done with my freshman year of high school. Back then I still naively thought that the US was usually the good guys. I also thought that Iraq really had WMDs and that the "war" would be over within the year. If you look up my posts from back then I'm sure you'll find several cases of me arguing in favor of the war. However, I've matured since then and if the same situation were happening now, rather than 3 1/2 years ago, I would oppose it. That is all.
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When we went to war with Iraq I was 14 and about 3/4 done with my freshman year of high school. Back then I still naively thought that the US was usually the good guys. I also thought that Iraq really had WMDs and that the "war" would be over within the year. If you look up my posts from back then I'm sure you'll find several cases of me arguing in favor of the war. However, I've matured since then and if the same situation were happening now, rather than 3 1/2 years ago, I would oppose it. That is all.


Well, karma has a way of biting you in the ass for stupid **** like that. It would be interesting in a way if you did get drafted and sent to Iraq.
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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ support
It would be interesting to see how many people would still support the war when they're knee deep in it.

 

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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ supp
kosh don't be so harsh - he was fourteen at the time!
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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ supp
I find it interesting to see how many people have grown up with this forum and the information/opinions shown on it, and how it has affected how they think about the world - me included. I've been here forever and I can definately say it's had a profound impact on my life and the way I see things.

 

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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ support
kosh don't be so harsh - he was fourteen at the time!


It still is what I have been saying: Most people who wupported useless wars like Iraq would not be so quick to do so if it was their ass on the line.
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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ supp
I was in eighth grade... and I didn't know what to think... if I get drafted I'll be pissed

 

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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ support
I knew it was BS from day 1. Why? Because I looked at news sources like the BBC, and also I knew better than to believe the Bush administration after the Enron fiasco (not like I ever believed him before that).
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ support
I was...*counts*...14 at the time as well, and I knew it to be bull****. Although, I admit, if it had happened about 6 years earlier I probably would've supported it, considering I used to (while not saying I actually was) have the mindset of your typical Republican today.

 

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I knew it was BS from day 1. Why? Because I looked at news sources like the BBC, and also I knew better than to believe the Bush administration after the Enron fiasco (not like I ever believed him before that).

You knew it was BS from Day 1 because you were mature enough to. Weren't you in your late high school years or early college years when this whole **** started?  Of course you knew that going into Iraq was wrong; some of us were just too young to know any better.  Redsniper was 14 when it happened, I was 13 and just about to go into high school.  Bush managed to fool Senators into this mess; beg pardon that high school freshman believed it too!

You know, it's times like these that really make me disrespect you.  If Kaz is telling you to ease up, doesn't that tell you anything?  It's not as if redmenace's belief in Bush's casus belli was exactly influencing the decision; he wasn't even old enough to vote!

kosh don't be so harsh - he was fourteen at the time!


It still is what I have been saying: Most people who wupported useless wars like Iraq would not be so quick to do so if it was their ass on the line.

So would that make nearly every single retired or current military, Air Force/Army/Marines, that I've spoken to and who support the war bull****ters or something?  They apparently support this useless war, and their asses are directly on the line.
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Exactly, lighten up. People make mistakes - if they admit that they made a mistake and move past it, it only makes them better. Red seems to be doing that, hm?

 

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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ support
Heh, the simple fact it was arranged ages ago does not mean it wasn't arranged to aggravate the situation in Iran.

That said, it could be perfectly normal, it does seem odd that it's happening now, and that there is a possibility that it could be taken in a bad way by Iran and bring on a crisis situation.

Without more info that we are never ever going to see, it's impossible to say, coincidence or not.
On the other hand probably not....it may send a message but nobody on either side is stupid enough to act on it.  Governments send messages like these on what seems like a regular basis.  A ship deploys a day early and its a nice little pointed message without having anyone say anything on either side.  In reading history...lots of these little things going on.  They never amount to anything on their own.

Doesn't hurt to have a fresh rotation with one of the largest Nimitz class carriers built and fresh crews and aircraft out there.
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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ supp
I can understand the argument that people will support something until it puts them in direct danger and how hypocritical it is. When I was 14 I understood that if the war dragged on for 4+ years, and turned into such a huge mess as it has now, and that if the US decided to go and invade other countries, etc. that they might reinstate the draft to make up for the lack of soldiers.

The thing is, I never considered that happening. Most people didn't, because we supposedly had/have the best military in the world, we stomped Iraq ~10years prior to this war starting, and we should have stomped them again*. That's why support was high at first. But, of course, as the war dragged on and people realized this was going to take longer than they thought (not to mention a certain little memo), support dropped.

Had I known, at the time, that the war would go on for so long, and that the US would be looking at invading Iran while still trying to handle Iraq (and I guess Afghanistan too, but you don't hear about that much anymore), then even with my youthful naiveté I wouldn't have supported it.

*Well, when it came to army on army action, we did stomp them AFAIK. It's just all this insurgent, suicide bomber, IED, using the Army as police BS that's causing trouble.
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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ supp
I find it interesting to see how many people have grown up with this forum and the information/opinions shown on it, and how it has affected how they think about the world - me included. I've been here forever and I can definately say it's had a profound impact on my life and the way I see things.

I can agree.  The short time I have spent here has changed my views on religion, world affairs, and the human psyche(sp?).

Kinda is neat though, this place is truly a "Forum", I suppose, socially speaking.  Everyone's ideas are muddled in together with very little moderation.
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Mhm :) That's why I've stuck around for so long. I have yet to find anywhere else with quite the same spirit :)

 

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Re: USS Eisenhower, a Nimitz-class supercarrier, en route to iran region w/ support
I find it interesting to see how many people have grown up with this forum and the information/opinions shown on it, and how it has affected how they think about the world - me included. I've been here forever and I can definately say it's had a profound impact on my life and the way I see things.

I can agree.  The short time I have spent here has changed my views on religion, world affairs, and the human psyche(sp?).

Kinda is neat though, this place is truly a "Forum", I suppose, socially speaking.  Everyone's ideas are muddled in together with very little moderation.
I think this is why the HLP formula has done so well in the past few years. We've had our problems with this forum from time to time but I'm personally a fan of self moderation with as little intervention as required. Sometimes it is...if it weren't then this place would probably be a seething mass of flamewars.  That stuff gets controlled but I think its been healthy to let some of the rest of it go.  To a point of course.
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and, of course, the secret ingredient to that special HLP flavor is definitely an0n. :D
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