[Taristin]

Morning stars are a real *****. They may not kill you, but they will throw your ass so far off course you'll be unable to attack your targets.

[Scooby_Doo]

Opps that should be plural (turrets)... just think of them as fast, nasty rapid fire versions of kaysers 

[Qwer]

Aeolus is very expensive cruiser, GTVA command (BTW well known for lack of intelligence as you may see during main FS2 campagin ) made wrong decision with this cruiser. Cruisers are too small to be universal, you get crap Leviathan which has got too weak AC defense to help with battles with other capships and too weak AF defence to defend itself against enemy fighter or Aeolus, which is good, but too expensive to find itself in navy and therefore unneeded. They must be specialised. Another foolishness was not-merging Terran and Vasudan technology. Anyway if you want better Aeolus, give him config 2XTerSlash+4XHeavyFlak+6XMS (if you consider merging Terran and Vasudan technology, give him VSlashes) or 2XUltraAAAf+4XHeavyFlak+6XMS.

BTW Slash beams doesn't have as much power as Stream ones, but they've got one advantage: their nature allows them to effectivly disarm enemy capships from turrets.

[Titan]

im pretty sure that in the tech room it says that the Aeolus class was just kinda old and what not..... it also says 12 or 14 were ever built....... i count 17 in freespace 2 (you get 3 just in the first couple of SOC missions....   )

[Mathwiz6]

I think some morning stars should be included...


Especially with bomb shooting 0.o

Example of kinetic weaps, the second INFR1 mission... anyone tried that? This station is covered in Mace guns, and it is inane.

Though I think the Aeolus is pretty good as it is. It owns all fighters, and can survive some slightly larger battles.

"Look upon its armament, ye fighter pilots, and despair. The Aeolus is the second most effective cruiser in the game, thanks to its array of flak guns and AAA beams that make attacking it a daunting prospect. The Aeolus will make mincemeat out of an unprepared fighter wing, and going one-on-one with it at short range is a very effective method of commiting suicide. It's anti-capital capability is good for a cruiser with two SGreens, however it is still incapable of taking on anything larger than itself with any hope of survival. Its anti-capital firepower is theoretically 1/11 that of the Deimos."

It's worse than... a lilith... and 24 were produced.

[Taristin]

im pretty sure that in the tech room it says that the Aeolus class was just kinda old and what not..... it also says 12 or 14 were ever built....... i count 17 in freespace 2 (you get 3 just in the first couple of SOC missions....   )

Only 24 were produced. Most of them were destroyed.

[Iron Wolf]

Aeolus is very expensive cruiser (snip)

Huh? where do you get that from?

Anyway if you want better Aeolus, give him config 2XTerSlash+4XHeavyFlak+6XMS (if you consider merging Terran and Vasudan technology, give him VSlashes) or 2XUltraAAAf+4XHeavyFlak+6XMS.

Hmm, but I thought we decided a couple pages back that Slasher Beams were too "big" to fit on a ship that size.

So, final thought on Anti-fighter defence: Normal loadout in terms of flack and andti-fighter beams, but replace the Huge Terran Turrets with Morning stars.

[nubbles526]

I don't know what you really mean though... Cuz' someone in Hades alright an uploaded customized Aeuous. It is still an Aeolus, but just have these two arms added... and they fire beams... Rapid Big Friendly Beam Green (RapidBFGreen)

http://hades-combine.com/web/index.php?ind=downloads&op=entry_view&iden=84

[Snail]

What you mean the GTC Boreas? Ah, yes, that thing kicks Sath ass... Unrealistic and I would not use it in any ca,paign (unless it's set in the far future) but it was really fun.

[Titan]

anything when you whoop those ****er's asses is good.... wholesome, like band of brothers. 

my dad's friend said something like that on our last hunting trip.... talking about the deer from hell.

(my dad 'n' him taking pot shots at it, unloading all their ammo, after putting 50 rounds in it the deer jumps off a cliff and falls 30 feet into a creek.)

[Iron Wolf]

I don't know what you really mean though... Cuz' someone in Hades alright an uploaded customized Aeuous. It is still an Aeolus, but just have these two arms added... and they fire beams... Rapid Big Friendly Beam Green (RapidBFGreen)

Trying to keep my improved aeolus somewhat belivable.

[nubbles526]

What you mean the GTC Boreas? Ah, yes, that thing kicks Sath ass... Unrealistic and I would not use it in any ca,paign (unless it's set in the far future) but it was really fun.

Just change the RapidBFGreen to SGreen. Thats what I do

[Qwer]

Hmm, but I thought we decided a couple pages back that Slasher Beams were too "big" to fit on a ship that size.

Not really, beam phases are determined mainly by power given from reactor, beam cannon size only determines possible phases for ship. Aeolus *could* have TerSlashes if you'd low its AF defences (but probably the most effective cruisers is AF cruiser with 2XHeavyFlak and 8XAAAh and AC cruiser with 2XVSlashes and 6XMS, both of them are cheaper than Aeolus and can be mass-produced, pair of them and bomber wing could own Deimos with 3-wing fighter escort).

Also little offtopic about dream fleet. AF defences can be split into Fighter Supression (MS) and Fighter Killer (AAA, Flaks). Specialised Anti-Cap ships and Carriers should have only small number of Fighter Supression cannons (they only need to defend themselves from bombs and enemy fighters, escort capships and fighters finishes them off), universal capships like Deimos should have both of them, while specialised AF ships Fighter Killer only.

[nubbles526]

Hmm, but I thought we decided a couple pages back that Slasher Beams were too "big" to fit on a ship that size.

Not really, beam phases are determined mainly by power given from reactor, beam cannon size only determines possible phases for ship. Aeolus *could* have TerSlashes if you'd low its AF defences (but probably the most effective cruisers is AF cruiser with 2XHeavyFlak and 8XAAAh and AC cruiser with 2XVSlashes and 6XMS, both of them are cheaper than Aeolus and can be mass-produced, pair of them and bomber wing could own Deimos with 3-wing fighter escort).

Also little offtopic about dream fleet. AF defences can be split into Fighter Supression (MS) and Fighter Killer (AAA, Flaks). Specialised Anti-Cap ships and Carriers should have only small number of Fighter Supression cannons (they only need to defend themselves from bombs and enemy fighters, escort capships and fighters finishes them off), universal capships like Deimos should have both of them, while specialised AF ships Fighter Killer only.

Wow... you do a lot of studies about freespace eh?

[Qwer]

Nubbles - not really, we had serious discussion about future GTVA technologies, fleet and developement on Polish Freespace Forum for a year, topic has already got 42 pages and is second biggest topic on forum (exept offtopic one which has 97 ). We came to very intresting conclusions in long discussion beetwen more than 15 people also pinpointing command's errors made from first Shivan arrival to times before IIGW. Prehaps I should create one on HLP.

[Fade Rathnik]

"...going one-on-one with it at short range is a very effective method of committing suicide..."

  could not be put in a better way 

[Scooby_Doo]

"...going one-on-one with it at short range is a very effective method of committing suicide..."

  could not be put in a better way 

That would describe the tachyon turrets quite well 

[DarkShadow-]

You would add a file called sgreenrate-wep.tbm to your data/tables folder and add:...

Wouldn't do it that way, just work on the Weapons.tbl itself, far easier.

For the beams, as Mars said, just change the SGreens fire rate, damage, whatever so it fits. Just search your weapons table for sgreen, you should understand what those values are for (if not, just check the wiki). For the Anti-Fighter-Weapons... how about some new stuff? E.g. for my campaign, the Capital ships AA-defenses are some kind of machinegun with a little Mace-effect (gave them a little FOF though, without the inaccuracy they were too powerful).

Or replace the turrets (primaries) with some kind of homing missile (secondaries). Use your fantasy 

Edit: The weapons table is in the fs2_root.vp (or something similar ^^). If you don't know how to extract it, just tell me, I can upload one so you can simply download it.

[nubbles526]

The weapons table is in the fs2_root.vp (or something similar ^^). If you don't know how to extract it, just tell me, I can upload one so you can simply download it.

Just download Heiko Hermann's VP view. Hey, I'm a modder, at least I know the basics.

[wtf_cl0vvn]

If you melded terran/vasudan tech, couldnt you give it the SVas?

i think thats supposed to be a far better beam cannon...