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[Colonol Dekker]

Forgive the obvious lamen here, But i assume that we will now have side mounted turrets? 
Resulting in mega broadside style death?

[Col. Fishguts]

As soon as this hits CVS (which might take a while), yes.

Thanks Bob for working on one of the oldest requests ever.

[Colonol Dekker]

Whoopee, i'll cgheck up on the progress of this when i get back  

[Flipside]

Heh, I'm going to have to go and relearn vectors again now

[Scooby_Doo]

Sweet!!!

Having a problem though.... The actually bolt is coming from the wrong place, no wheres near the actually turret itself.  The firepoint in modelview shows up correctly and the y axis in truespace is showing up pointing forward/outward.

[Bobboau]

what are you sub object properties?
describe the turret in more detail (or post a screen shot)

[Scooby_Doo]

Ugh not having much success...

Ok if I had a turret with a normal of (-1,0,0) [facing straight out port side]

would the uvec be: -1,0,0 (pointing in the normal's direction) or would it be 0,-1, 0 (pointing straight up)?
and the fvec be: (0,0,-1) (pointing straight forward)
?

[Bobboau]

well you are defining what is up and forward for the turret so your uvec should be -1,0,0 and the fvec should be 0,0,1 (what you had is backwards).
keep in mind that the turret has to be modeled to look like this before you add this stuff in.

[Scooby_Doo]

Ok that helps a bit... the turret barrel is tracking the target correctly (or at least it seems) but the firepoint is way off




Also would it be possible to lock an axis for the up arrow (like the X) and forward (the Y axis) automatically so you wouldn't need the uvec and fvec?

[Bobboau]

can you give me that test pof?

[Scooby_Doo]

Sorry had to leave for a while...

It's probably something stupid I'm doing that works ok in the normal version.
http://www.wcsaga.com/~team/Scooby/Custom_Mod/test_turret.rar

[Bobboau]

ok, I think I see what's going on, all my test models used arms that were centered on the bas, this has a rotation point well above it, I guess I've got something to fix then.

[Scooby_Doo]

huh? it should be centered on the base.... the arm's pivot point is right next to the turret base, and the turret's base should be centered on the base box.

edit: how do i visually check where the pivot points are in modelview?

[Bobboau]

if you hit the 'rotate parts' button it'll show it. (sometimes)

it's not centered on the base it's centered (from the turret's perspective) above it, in all my test data the base and arms were in the exact same position, so I didn't catch this till just now.

funny thing is I could have sworn I took care of the function were the problem was in, oh, yeah, fixed it.

http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/blackwater/fs2_open_Bobboau_11-19-06.zip

[Scooby_Doo]

I think you fixed it!   

Now I can go back and start thinking about how to side mount my cap ships.  If they're complaining about features being added and not used... this definetely won't be one of them!!!! *bounces up and down happy with joy*

[Bobboau]

keep in mind this isn't going to be in any official builds until after the next release. so don't do anything that's going to be mission critical with it untill after that.

though with the new branching thing I'll probly get it committed soonish.

and don't forget that you can do more than just side mounting, you can put a turret at prety much any angle you can figure the uvec for

[Scooby_Doo]

Any idea how soon will that be?

If nothing else I think I can get by by using a "fake"  version (i.e. not multi-turret) until then and then just change the turret's arm to the real arm

[Bobboau]

that could work.

[Raptor]

Not to mention one of the reasons for debug builds is that they ***** about things that might cause problems, even if they are minor. As Kara said, the solution is to fix the problems and not to complain about the build pointing them out for you.

Except when you are given no clue as to what the problem is.

Only just got round to trying this... but the build just quits on me.  I just get Windows' 'this program has performed an illegal operation and will be shu down.  Sorry for the inconvinence.' message.

the 29th August 3_6_9 build runs fine for me, but any debuild just gives me that ^.

I'll try ripping out all my mod tables and try again... 

EDIT: Nope, still didn't work.

EDIT2: BTW, I was trying the build in the first post, if that makes any differance.