[Hippo]

Uh... I have to side with Cobra on this one.

[Polpolion]

I think that if they added another turret on the bottom of the Ursa and made the top speed 50, It'd be A LOT better. I'm not quite sure how balanced that would be, thought.

[spartan_0214]

Well, it depends on if you want a maneuverable bomber, or a bomber that's practically a sitting duck with 10 meters of hull. Me, if I had to fly a bomber, I'd pick the sitting duck because you should have a decent fighter escort that can take out fighters that are attacking you while you pound the crap out of a capital ship...

[Taristin]

You're missing the point. It was extremely expensive and impractical to even use an Ursa in combat, let alone make a version that was maneuverable and fast.


Context!

[FOX2PRO]

It was only used once in the FS campaign, and never necessary in FS2.

[Hippo]

It was used 3 times in FS1, and several more times in silent threat.

[BS403]

Are you including the last two mission of FS1 and the last one of Silent threat?
because i always flew an ursa in those.

[Hippo]

Black Omega you flew an ursa. Great Hunt Delta wing was present in ursas. Good luck Delta wing was present in ursas. Secrets revealed in ST also featured a plethora of ursas. Hardly an insignifigant bomber.

[TrashMan]

5 primaries, lots of shielding and hull, 3 missile banks which you can load ith anything your heart desires, a KAYSER turret.... what's not to like?

[karajorma]

The Ursa is after all an older design. It is fairly mediocre in FS2 (the Sekhmet is equal or better in almost every way)

Pity they never let you fly it then

[Blue Haired Maniac]

Yes, it was like flying with a dead elephant on your back, but the Ursa more than made up for it with payload and shielding in FS1.

And in FS2, I love that kayser turret.

[Mongoose]

Plus, there's something just so visceral about using that shoot-from-the-hip triple gun to nail enemy fighters at long range.  I had a ton of fun picking off HOL bastards back in Black Omega with that thing.

[castor]

-has a turret
-5 primaries/2 banks
-can carry temps
 

[Snail]

Medusa
$SBank Capacity:        ( 40, 80, 80 )
Ursa
$SBank Capacity:        ( 80, 80, 80 )

Same capacity?

[Hippo]

I think he meant 3 slots, which is a stupid comparison method.

[Snail]

Agreed.

It doesn't matter how many slots there are, does it? The Myrmidon has 3 shots, does that give it the same capacity as the Ursa?

[Hippo]

Actually... Myrmidon can carry Helios'...

[Snail]

Sure, but not many. (1 in each bank? Or was it 1 in both of the first and 2 in the last?)

Oh, and that also counters Cobra's comment about the Ursa being big because it has to carry Helios/Harbinger.

[Hippo]

The latter, but his argument was still moot.

[wtf_cl0vvn]

Im guessing that in FS2 the Boanerges is the (intended) replacement for the Ursa, right?

If i recall correctly, the tech room desc. gives the impression that the Boanerges is easy to repair and maintain...therefore cost-effective, which im guessing the Ursa isn't.

not sure about armor and shielding...i believe the Ursa can take more damage?
also, i believe the ursa was slower, but handles better in game? (cant really check ATM, as my computer's connection to the residence hall network is f***ed and i am in the computer lab downstairs.)
They have the same amount of payload, yes?

So im guessing that the GTVA doctrine is that we phase out the Ursas for faster, more cost-effective heavy bombers, and have our  new generation of fighters (Perseus + Erinyes) do point and heavy escort, so that we dont have to make them maneuvrable.

Sort of like what happened to the Aeolus class...good but expensive, and better to stick the Deimos class of 'vettes instead.




this seems like a stupid idea ingame considering the underwhelming intelligence of the wingmen, but in a RL situation, where our pilots are academy graduates and skilled in escort....idk

thats just my idea...

personally id take the ursa, due to its 5 gunpoints, 2 gun systems, and turret, vs the boanerges and its 2 gunpoints.....as a GTVA commander, id get some good pilots to escort my cheap Boanerges.


  all a matter of perspective.