[Agent_Koopa]

I've so far tried to stay out of the death penalty debate, because although I believe that we don't have the right to kill a person, I know that the debate is based on personal values that differ from person to person. I believe Saddam had to die not because his crimes deserved death but because I know he was captured, I know that he would have had as fair a trial as possible under the conditions, and I know that it was pretty much guaranteed that he would be executed.

ngtm1r: If we neglect what we see as moral rights, in the pursuit of morality, aren't we being just a touch hypocritical? We do not revoke rights, we simply impinge upon them. We have decided that such things as life and liberty are essential human rights, but we cannot take rights away. Discovery of the laws governing gravity did not allow Newton the ability to turn gravity off.

[Herra Tohtori]

So Saddam is supposedly dead and buried.


I just don't get how death penalty is worst penalty. As a matter of fact, it's actually merciful compared to some other punishments IMHO.


Consider this: Saddam was a human being biologically. Humans inevitably die. So how does the death penalty punish anyone? It just speeds up the inevitable.

Way worse would be to be kept alive as long as possible, without human contact, with only basic needs covered up - nutrition, medication and hygiene. Not being able to die, but being forbidden the chance to live. And inevitably, death in the end. What's the difference - other than death by capital punishment is swift, whereas the latter gives a whole lot of opportunities to think what you've done. End result is same anyway.

Further more, I personally don't believe that there is any kind of life after death, so if the idea was to punish Saddam, what's the point in ending everything?

Even if I'm wrong and Saddam's soul somehow gets sent to God to be judged, I don't think the verdict there would be any different if he died yesterday, or if he would've died ten years from now.


Call me cruel if you want, but I'm just stating the obvious here. Capital punishment is not actually punishment at all, and most definitely not capital one. Being kept alive without being allowed to live would certainly be way more horrible punishment. And when it inevitably ends, he would still be dead.


Another thing I would be in favour of is being left stranded on an island with one shot, no food, no water and no name. That's a kick-ass punishment as long as you're not able to escape. Although keel-hauling could also perhaps satisfy the bloodthirst of those millions of people who apparently wanted him dead.

[Ford Prefect]

Consider this: Saddam was a human being biologically. Humans inevitably die. So how does the death penalty punish anyone? It just speeds up the inevitable.

Why is murder a crime?

Further more, I personally don't believe that there is any kind of life after death, so if the idea was to punish Saddam, what's the point in ending everything?

Even if I'm wrong and Saddam's soul somehow gets sent to God to be judged, I don't think the verdict there would be any different if he died yesterday, or if he would've died ten years from now.

What you believe isn't relevant. Death separates us from the only existence about which we can make any affirmations, and thus we fear it. One hardly needs the fear of God's judgement to fear death.

[peterc10]

The death penalty was an easy way out 4 saddam. It would be x50 times more effective to put him in a high security prison, that way he would always remember wat he used 2 have and wat he has now. Im supprised they still have the death penalty in the U.S.A. Also it was not a gd tactical move, Saddam's death is going to cause even more violence in Iraq.

[Centrixo]

i said i wasnt going to post anymore, i lied.

the subject of killing is a very clueless, stupid and arrogant thing.

explaination: the unlawful and intentional killing of a human being by another -- meaning a lack of knowledge of before hand of these people and what they did(innocent killed for another persons crime) also related to stupidity, then you got of self pride after killing someone that you hate and dont care(usa and Saddam), in this case the penalty for killing someone is usually either life imprisonment, or in law with capital punishment and then you have the death penalty.

[Mobius]

Someone here was against this tremendous penalty(mostly because it's cruel and old).

Anyway I think that his death will stop-in part-some terrorists.

[Centrixo]

bad idea betting on the torrorists to give up fighting against the freedom way of life. it doenst really matter anyhow, all the world had its draconian way of life, the feudal system, usa's current death penatly system, saddam's chopping off peoples hands, the nazis concerntration camps and slavery, its all thier.

[Mefustae]

bad idea betting on the torrorists to give up fighting against the freedom way of life.

Please tell me you did not just imply Iraqi insurgents are fighting "freedom".

[Janos]

bad idea betting on the torrorists to give up fighting against the freedom way of life. it doenst really matter anyhow, all the world had its draconian way of life, the feudal system, usa's current death penatly system, saddam's chopping off peoples hands, the nazis concerntration camps and slavery, its all thier.

posting on new year is a bad idea for many reasons

[Kosh]

Why should he be allowed to live?

Because sometimes living is a much worse fate than death. If you had a choice between living in a small, damp, dark, filthy cell for the rest of your life or death, which would you choose?


Saddam's gone, but Iraq is still a wreck. It changed nothing; except it removed one possible exit plan for America.

[Mefustae]

...except it removed one possible exit plan for America.

The "Saddam will help us" exit plan is probably in the same pile as the "launch Iraq into space and pretend it never existed" plan, so it's no great loss in that regard.

[Centrixo]

...

posting on new year is a bad idea for many reasons

and.. its posted so?
where the bad reasons?

[brozozo]

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posting on new year is a bad idea for many reasons

and.. its posted so?
where the bad reasons?

I think he's implying that posting is a bad thing to do on New Years because many people are drunk. That's just my take on it, but I think it's always a bad thing when you post. Stop killing the internets.

[Mongoose]

All right, since no one else in here feels like dancing, guess it's all up to me, then.

*turns on party music*

To be quite honest, I could give a damn less what this does to the "situation" over there, what the long-term ramifications are, who said what to whom when, or any of that bull****.  We should have pushed on to Baghdad and smoked the ****er 15 years ago, but better late than never, I guess.  Good ****ing riddance.

(Hmmm...how many stereotypes have I confirmed with those few statements? )

[Ace]

..."launch Iraq into space and pretend it never existed" plan, so it's no great loss in that regard.

Those short-sighted fools at the DoD laughed at me... I'll show them all! Them all! 

[NGTM-1R]

Because sometimes living is a much worse fate than death. If you had a choice between living in a small, damp, dark, filthy cell for the rest of your life or death, which would you choose?

Living in the cell. Most do. The human will to survive does not often consider the consequences. Besides, assuming his cell would be damp, dark, and filthy is a bit of stretch. Particularly the damp part. Consider where it would be.

[Janos]

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posting on new year is a bad idea for many reasons

and.. its posted so?
where the bad reasons?

Your post was quite incoherent and I still have troubles fully analyzing it, so I assumed that because it was the New Year you were propably drunk, because you should have been. Because it was the New Year. And you are supposed to be drunk on the New Year night. That's what!

[redsniper]

All of his posts seem drunk.

[Centrixo]

if thats all you got then keep your opinions to yourself.

[Rictor]