[Unknown Target]

Wobble; that's the sort of attitude that lets them do this. It's not the cameras on the busses that's the problem, it's the fact that if the government wanted to they could track your every movement. It's the potential for harm and the fact that this opens the door for even worse things that we're worried about.

[Wobble73]

I have nothing to hide, even from the government. I'm okay about there being cameras in public places, just as long as they don't put cameras in my home I'm happy with it! 

To be honest, I don't see why the government would be remotely interested in what I get up to, I mean I live a fairly hum-drum life

[Unknown Target]

I have nothing to hide, even from the government. I'm okay about there being cameras in public places, just as long as they don't put cameras in my home I'm happy with it! 

Ok, but let's say the government started being abusive? Then you'd try to stop them, right? Except the government could track your every movement and stop you from doing anything, or they could even kill you if they were that far gone.

That whole "I've got nothing to hide" attitude is shared by a lot of people, and very short-sighted. Not only do we have a basic right to privacy, but if we let them get away with this, then we let them get away with other things in the future.

[vyper]

I was going to say something meaningful but...

I have nothing to hide, even from the government. I'm okay about there being cameras in public places, just as long as they don't put cameras in my home I'm happy with it! 

Ok, but let's say the government started being abusive? Then you'd try to stop them, right? Except the government could track your every movement and stop you from doing anything, or they could even kill you if they were that far gone.

That whole "I've got nothing to hide" attitude is shared by a lot of people, and very short-sighted. Not only do we have a basic right to privacy, but if we let them get away with this, then we let them get away with other things in the future.

QFT.

[IPAndrews]

Rictor.

Best - post - ever.

[Flipside]

Alright then, this is really an indication that the UK is soon to be run by lots of trained government ninja funded by the Pope who will climb through your Bedroom window with a 35mm camera when you are shagging your wife. I know it doesn't say a word of that on the poster, but hey, if we're going with conspiracy theories, let's eat the whole cake.

[Fineus]

As a fellow Brit I'd like to get in on this and say that at face value, I actually welcome the idea of there being some sort of security on public transport.

I've seen too many idiots and "anti-social behaviour order" candidates on public transport - especially late at night - getting away with antagonising everyone else and making public transport unsafe to use. If installing cameras on buses and trains helps to deter them from causing trouble then I'm all for that.

That said I'll also say that I can see where those of you who are against this are coming from. Where does surveillance stop being a helpful protection from yobs and start being a tool for oppression? God knows I dislike the notion of things like speed cameras that often seem to cause more harm than good and sure as hell don't seem to stop the police from speeding even if they're off duty. So already it seems that some of these tools are being used to keep the public under control whilst allowing the "establishment" to do as they please.

To put it another way - despite it being a film and one to be taken with a pinch of salt at that - I find myself identifying with the film my avatar is currently based on. V for Vendetta portrayed some quite believable elements.

[Gregster2k]

This stuff is scary 

[vyper]

Point of interest - does anyone else find the artwork very similar to the old cold-war era style?

Mind you, what else do you expect from Red Ken?

[Nuclear1]

Alright then, this is really an indication that the UK is soon to be run by lots of trained government ninja funded by the Pope who will climb through your Bedroom window with a 35mm camera when you are shagging your wife. I know it doesn't say a word of that on the poster, but hey, if we're going with conspiracy theories, let's eat the whole cake.

My thoughts exactly.  What is terribly wrong about having security or cameras on public transit systems?  Sure, cameras monitoring movement in residential buildings and surveillance of private areas is a problem, but shouldn't the police be able to monitor areas where, say, a bomb or gunman can do harm to a lot of innocent people in public?

[Unknown Target]

Alright then, this is really an indication that the UK is soon to be run by lots of trained government ninja funded by the Pope who will climb through your Bedroom window with a 35mm camera when you are shagging your wife. I know it doesn't say a word of that on the poster, but hey, if we're going with conspiracy theories, let's eat the whole cake.

My thoughts exactly.  What is terribly wrong about having security or cameras on public transit systems?  Sure, cameras monitoring movement in residential buildings and surveillance of private areas is a problem, but shouldn't the police be able to monitor areas where, say, a bomb or gunman can do harm to a lot of innocent people in public?

I don't mind the concept of cameras on the buses so much, but the issue I take with it is that it's an extension of the already over bearing security camera system. Now the government can watch you from your house, every step of the way to your office and back (if you don't have your own car). Doesn't that feel wrong at all somehow?

[Descenterace]

Since the UK government denies the average person the right to adequately defend themselves, it seems all we can do for some resemblance of 'safety' is let them put cameras everywhere, in the hope that the chav that mugs us might actually get caught on camera.

And then sentenced to community service for three weeks (reduced to three hours after appeal,which consists entirely of the little ****'s mum saying 'he's a good boy really' when what the bastard needs is a thorough horsewhipping), then back out on the streets to repeat the offence.

Any other Brits want to declare independance? I think I know where to get some guns...

[Flipside]

Estate Agents would be first against the wall, I'm getting kinda pissed off at the constant increase in house prices here.

[vyper]

I think the point being made overall is that of the nature of the poster. It's got a very 1984 feel to it, all it lacks is the Newspeak.

[IPAndrews]

It's so Orwellian that it could only have been done on purpose. Which begs the question why would they have done it on purpose?

[Flipside]

Sometimes ad designers are stupid. That's all. It's like the PSP ads in Sweden...



Just because these ads were badly designed and appeared in Sweden, does that mean that all Swedish are racist? Of course not, the idea is absurd. Yet when an ad appears in the UK that looks like a scene from 1984, it must autmoatically mean that was the intention of the ad. Yes, it's a stupid ad, and it got taken down within months because of it.

[Fineus]

Something else just occured to me... the london travel board aren't the ones who're entirely responsible for the poster. I imagine they commissioned someone to do the artwork, yes? So it follows that that person went ahead and did it.. they then OKd it.

[Rictor]

Like I said, I think it's a case of the ad agency being subversive, trying to voice their opposition with the blatantly totalitarian style. There's no ambiguity about it - the fascist overtones are obvious.

[aldo_14]

Like I said, I think it's a case of the ad agency being subversive, trying to voice their opposition with the blatantly totalitarian style. There's no ambiguity about it - the fascist overtones are obvious.

I think you're vastly overestimating the intelligence of advertisers (the type the government would hire, anyways)....

[Mr. Vega]

Just because these ads were badly designed and appeared in Sweden, does that mean that all Swedish are racist? Of course not, the idea is absurd. Yet when an ad appears in the UK that looks like a scene from 1984, it must autmoatically mean that was the intention of the ad. Yes, it's a stupid ad, and it got taken down within months because of it.

I don't care. Your government (and ours definately) could use a good riot anyway.