[WeatherOp]

Ok, I'm gonna throw some conspiracy theories around.

1. Why did the shivans send in one superdestroyer when they had hundreds of juggernauts.

And interesting fact, if you notice, the Luci had 6 reactors and the explosion took out the SOL jump node. Then if I am remembering right, it took 6 meson bombs to destroy the nodes in FS2. And that brings the question, is it just luck that the Luic had just enough explosive punch to destroy the jump node? And that brings up another question, was it luck the luci blew up at the right place to destroy the jump node, or did it self-destruct?

2. Can the Knossos lock nodes instead of just opening them?

If you look at the Knossos, you can see what looks to be tech of the ancients. Could this have been a last ditch effort to stop the shivans by closing down jump nodes. And if so, could shivans open them? How many Knossos are there.

3. Can Knossos cloak?

In FS2 it says that they did not detect the Knossos before the were turned on. Could that mean the cloak when inactive? Is this why the Knossos could be found in Ross128? Could this be while GTI had such an interest in this place?

4. How did Bosch know the location of the Knossos and how to flip the on switch, and how did they build ETAK.

An interesting thought, did the shivans pick him out, tell him the plans for ETAK, where the Knossos was? Could they have been using him to open it and give them the knowledge to open it?

5. Capella supernova

No ones knows what they did, but it is an interesting thought that it could ahve been just a distraction to end the war.

Everyone else throw your conspiracy theories in here too.

[Mefustae]

1. Why did the shivans send in one superdestroyer when they had hundreds of juggernauts.

And interesting fact, if you notice, the Luci had 6 reactors and the explosion took out the SOL jump node. Then if I am remembering right, it took 6 meson bombs to destroy the nodes in FS2. And that brings the question, is it just luck that the Luic had just enough explosive punch to destroy the jump node? And that brings up another question, was it luck the luci blew up at the right place to destroy the jump node, or did it self-destruct?

Luck? Not really. Horrific conicidence? Damn right. Lucy had enough explosive power to collapse the node, and was destroyed in just the right place to do so, it's that simple. The idea that the entire Great War was engineered towards collapsing the Sol-Delta Serpentis node is just ludicrous; she was going there to destroy Earth, end of story. Now, the idea that Lucy intentionally blew herself up in the right place to collapse the node as one final act of defiance in the face of her victorious foes... that is worth thinking about.

Oh, and it's worth noting that both the Bastion and Neried were packed with Meson bombs:

2. Can the Knossos lock nodes instead of just opening them?

If you look at the Knossos, you can see what looks to be tech of the ancients. Could this have been a last ditch effort to stop the shivans by closing down jump nodes. And if so, could shivans open them? How many Knossos are there.

It's possible, but it's equally likely the node simply collapsed on its own after the Ancients had shut down the Knossos.

3. Can Knossos cloak?

In FS2 it says that they did not detect the Knossos before the were turned on. Could that mean the cloak when inactive? Is this why the Knossos could be found in Ross128? Could this be while GTI had such an interest in this place?

It's pretty clear that when the Knossos was deactivated, it would have just looked like space-junk. A hunk of rock, an accretion of dust, whatever. Considering the size of solar systems and the fact  that only a single ship was sent to document Gamma Drac, it's dead-likely that the Erikson overlooked the Knossos.

What do you mean by a Knossos in Ross128, though?

4. How did Bosch know the location of the Knossos and how to flip the on switch, and how did they build ETAK.

An interesting thought, did the shivans pick him out, tell him the plans for ETAK, where the Knossos was? Could they have been using him to open it and give them the knowledge to open it?

The location and specifications of the Knossos were most likely on Altair, and the basis of ETAK goes all the way back to the GTA and research carried out during the First Great War. Bosch resurrected that research and used it to create what we now know as ETAK. As far as can be discerned, there's nothing special about Bosch, only that he was one crafty fellow.

5. Capella supernova

No ones knows what they did, but it is an interesting thought that it could ahve been just a distraction to end the war.

Doubtful, just because it makes no sense. As Petrarch says; nobody can fathom how or why the Shivans blew up the Capella star, and that includes HLP.

[aldo_14]

It's worth noting RE: a (possible) Knossos in Ross 128, that the Shivans made a lot of 'odd' jumps in FS1, circumnavigating blockades or into seemingly inaccessible systems like Ikeya (presumably to buy some nice flat pack furniture for the hive....oh, Ikeya - sorry).

[Mongoose]

It's also worth noting that the Lucifer had 5 reactors, not 6.

[Vasudan Commander]

Ok, I'm gonna throw some conspiracy theories around.

1. Why did the shivans send in one superdestroyer when they had hundreds of juggernauts.

The Great War , involving the Lucifer and its armada, was just a shivan scouting force. They under-estimated the Terrans and Vasudans. The most probable guess is that they monitored the war between them, and saw an opportune moment to kill them both while they were weakened by the long war between them, and end both races , and annihilate their home planets with 1 swift stroke.

Even though the shivans did, effectively, negate both the terran and vasudan homeworlds, they didnt extinguish their races. So they figured that the next time round, they'd send in some 90 juggernauts against them.

One might wonder....just how powerful and large the shivans are. At first, it was assumed that the lucifer and the rest of the shivan armada with it was the shivans main navy.....then the juggernauts came, and one would assume that 'THIS' was their main force. But if they could send out so many juggernauts, leaving nearly 1/4 of them to explode in the supernova that they caused, then just how powerful are they ?


Personally , i think that shivan ships arent 'constructed', but 'born'. There's probably a big fat shivan queen(s) somewhere out there, like, 40 km's in size, giving 'birth' to shivan warships.

[aldo_14]

Ok, I'm gonna throw some conspiracy theories around.

1. Why did the shivans send in one superdestroyer when they had hundreds of juggernauts.

It was the first wave.

[Wobble73]

Ok, I'm gonna throw some conspiracy theories around.

1. Why did the shivans send in one superdestroyer when they had hundreds of juggernauts.

Personally , i think that shivan ships arent 'constructed', but 'born'. There's probably a big fat shivan queen(s) somewhere out there, like, 40 km's in size, giving 'birth' to shivan warships.

So the Lucifer was really a baby Sathanas?   

[MarkN]

Why on earth are people letting boring things like Canon and common sense get in the way of a good conspiracy theory?
Let the theories come.
My wildly outrageous conspiracy theory.
Bosch was working for command all along. that explains why command stopped anyone from killing him, and then sent the Vasudans to stop SOC from finding out what was going on.

[S-99]

Well, one theory about the shivans.
Yes they do use knossoses, and they really appreciate the ancients for that...otherwise they'd destroy them
Anyway, i like the idea of shivans going system to system without the use of nodes. Plus it's proven in fs that shivan vessels can circumnavigate unstable nodes (and i don't mean closed nodes). But yeah, the shivans already know our corner of the galaxy, they just don't know what every planet means or really is. Then again the idea of being able to not need a node can be shot down really fast. I do like the idea of travelling without nodes for the shivans, and that it must take some sort of uber amount of energy or something to do so. But, the shivans using unstable nodes, oh hell yes.
Brings us down to the fs1 ross128 conspiracy. Where were the shivans first encountered? Obviously encountered by terrans, and in some other system. Probably a system gti conveniently left off of the node maps in favor of secrecy. Hell, in that case there's probably a whole bunch of systems that aren't on the node map that lead up to meeting the shivans.

And don't worry...it's safe, i'm on a baseball card bubble gum encrypted connection and on the truth syrum (soco).

[FS2_playa613]

just tossing this out there, but does anyone know how those SJ's avoided the nova? i mean, wouldnt the only jump possible from their position be an in-sytem jump? so unless the nova made a small node, wouldnt the juggs fleet emerge ino the "aftermath" of the nova nd get fried?

[aldo_14]

just tossing this out there, but does anyone know how those SJ's avoided the nova? i mean, wouldnt the only jump possible from their position be an in-sytem jump? so unless the nova made a small node, wouldnt the juggs fleet emerge ino the "aftermath" of the nova nd get fried?

It's one of the abiding mysteries of FS2

[Centrixo]

Ok, I'm gonna throw some conspiracy theories around.

1. Why did the shivans send in one superdestroyer when they had hundreds of juggernauts.

And interesting fact, if you notice, the Luci had 6 reactors and the explosion took out the SOL jump node. Then if I am remembering right, it took 6 meson bombs to destroy the nodes in FS2. And that brings the question, is it just luck that the Luic had just enough explosive punch to destroy the jump node? And that brings up another question, was it luck the luci blew up at the right place to destroy the jump node, or did it self-destruct?

no mension of self destructive purpose, the shivans went into battle regardless of how strong the GTA or PVN was, not an opportune time as many people suggest as the shivans are xenophobic, war is thier only means witch means they could head into any territory no matter how strong, and as you say hundreds of sj's, they would bear down on the enemy and squish it no matter how heavily reinforced they were, Tombaugh station is just an example and the destruction of Vasuda and almost earth. witch confirms they saw them and crushed them.

2. Can the Knossos lock nodes instead of just opening them?

If you look at the Knossos, you can see what looks to be tech of the ancients. Could this have been a last ditch effort to stop the shivans by closing down jump nodes. And if so, could shivans open them? How many Knossos are there.

im pretty sure there are a few around.
the shivans could not open them, my guess is the ancients closed the knossos, that left a few destroyers a few cruisers and a lucifer behind with of bombers and fighters in epsilon pegasi or capella or even gamma draconis, meanwhile some place like Mirfax there are freighters and other ships like that.

3. Can Knossos cloak?

In FS2 it says that they did not detect the Knossos before the were turned on. Could that mean the cloak when inactive? Is this why the Knossos could be found in Ross128? Could this be while GTI had such an interest in this place?

trying to cloak a station of that magnitude would be absoutly enormous, not to forget the energy of the interlocking arms and trying to cloak that just wont work.
yes it was deactive, so it appeared there was nothing out there.
and a knossos in 128? i dont think so i think the lucifer was ready to attack the GTA after the shivans got trapped by the Ancients thousands of years earlier.

4. How did Bosch know the location of the Knossos and how to flip the on switch, and how did they build ETAK.

An interesting thought, did the shivans pick him out, tell him the plans for ETAK, where the Knossos was? Could they have been using him to open it and give them the knowledge to open it?

1st off the shivans are xenophobic, secondly they speak in em pulses. its highly unlikey bosch knew he got picked, like saying portugese to a japanese man, wouldnt of understood, i can only imagine that the the old GTI Rebellion had some research somewhere on such a machine, and it only took bosch to find it and complete it.

5. Capella supernova

No ones knows what they did, but it is an interesting thought that it could ahve been just a distraction to end the war.

only knows the answer to that, some speculate on a massive jump gate to thier homeworld, others speculate that it was to cut the shivans off from the GTVA, some others say it was a warning to the GTVA from the shivans.

[Vasudan Commander]

Maybe the shivans originally came from Earth, long before we were here, and they want to come back. That would explain why the the Lucifer was so determined to get to earth, and would explain the juggernaut fleet trying to push past the GTVA. Maybe they used the collapsing Capella Star as a jump node of some sort, to head directly for Sol.

[Centrixo]

interesting but unlikely, dinosaurs rules the earth before us and before the dinos there were underwater beasts then before that we were a boneless worm, and before that the earth was inhospitable.

[Turey]

and before that the earth was inhospitable.

To us, yes, but to the Shivans? Maybe not.

[NGTM-1R]

just tossing this out there, but does anyone know how those SJ's avoided the nova? i mean, wouldnt the only jump possible from their position be an in-sytem jump? so unless the nova made a small node, wouldnt the juggs fleet emerge ino the "aftermath" of the nova nd get fried?

It's one of the abiding mysteries of FS2

I think we've conclusively proved they could have escaped via Gamma Drac? Repeatedly?

[S-99]

Keep in mind bosch had to activate the knossos to use that node. In a way knossos can lock nodes, but that couldn't be confirmed, like someone said, after 8000 years that node probably collapsed and without the knossos active it wouldn't keep it open.

[Vasudan Commander]

Bosch felt that the only way to save humanity was an alliance with the shivans.

[NGTM-1R]

Keep in mind bosch had to activate the knossos to use that node. In a way knossos can lock nodes, but that couldn't be confirmed, like someone said, after 8000 years that node probably collapsed and without the knossos active it wouldn't keep it open.

Not the Capella-Gamma Drac node, just the Gamma Drac-Nebula node. The Capella-Gamma Drac node was 100% stable and apparently naturally occuring.

Plus I would not be surprised to discover the Shivans had another method for getting out of Gamma Draconis, or that the Gamma Drac-Nebula node could be stablized long enough to allow their escape. The Sathanas fleet has already demonstrated impressive subspace capablities.

[Snail]

Plus I would not be surprised to discover the Shivans had another method for getting out of Gamma Draconis, or that the Gamma Drac-Nebula node could be stablized long enough to allow their escape. The Sathanas fleet has already demonstrated impressive subspace capablities.

The Saths can't do special jumps like the Lucy. Only the Lucy can do special jumps like the Lucy. But the Saths can nuke stars. They obviously have different purposes. The Lucifer was built to survive and kill, the Sath was built to reach a star and nova it.