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Offline Commander Zane

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You know what's funny? The M8 rifle was discontinued for five years since April 2006.
Honestly, I'd say that'll just happen from now to Doomsday, and the M16 / M4 and the AK47 will STILL be the typical standard issue combat firearm in existance.

 

Offline Mars

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I thought the FN-SCAR was going to replace the M-16 now


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Yeah it's all interesting with the politics here. Republicans like to spend money on military and stuff related to it whenever possible. Democrats are all more on idk really, i forget, but they don't do no where near as much military spending as republicans do.
After that, the m16 is still in use because it's a very good and dependable gun. It's the longest running military gun being manufactured. The m16 comes in different designs, especially the navy one which has like a grenade launcher.
And then there's several old designs for helicopters and fighters that will be phased out in like 2020 or 2050 for the army. Why switch out stuff that works good? Besides that innovation these days tends to be aimed at new weapons a lot more than new vehicles of any kind.
Then again i never thought of all these new weapon stuff as an arms race, that's an interesting way to think about it. We all live in a day and age where many countries are acceling at pumping next gen advanced weaponry.
American military is pumping out some really interesting stuff, the newest of it is ray gun meant to be a nonlethal and less cumbersome means of detering crowds and riots without tear gas and stuff like that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6300985.stm
Of course i like how bbc writes under the picture of the blaster how it makes an easy rpg target (as if anything wouldn't be an rpg target...just one of those useless comments they'd like to include for god knows what reason).
The information is supposed to be classified, but i think it's obvious how it works employing microwaves (it's obviously an em weapon). I like how the ray gun looks like an fs radar dish.
It would be nice over here if like stuff slowed down, i mean new stuff is always going to come out, but there's a whole bunch of it coming out all at once, which is where everyone starts up the fact that my country is like pulling money out no where somehow, warspending, inflation, and the works (not to mention international debt which last i remembered was like some 350 billion or whatever, it's definitely increased since then and my memory probably isn't close to scratching what it actually is).
« Last Edit: February 16, 2007, 06:12:27 am by S-99 »
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lols, I think you guys overspent guns.ru's bandwidth for the month... I checked their site; the pics don't show there either.  Should I take the img tags off and leave them as clickable links?

 
Going back to the actual topic, the key probably lies in the TR description of the Deimos: They're planning to use them to replace the Leviathan and Fenris-class ships, not all cruisers in the GTA fleet. My guess is that the Aeolus-class would be the only type of cruiser built after the planned re-armament.

 

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The Deimos entry suggests that the Terrans won't include cruisers in their fleets.

It's quite a contrast with the Mentu, but "foundation of a fleet"....

The tech entry of the Alcyone gives some not-canon infos about a possible reason beyond the replacement of the Aeolus...

 
The Deimos entry suggests that the Terrans won't include cruisers in their fleets.

It's quite a contrast with the Mentu, but "foundation of a fleet"....

Well, there's no such suggestion at all, just that the Leviathan and Fenris are about to go the way of the dodo. The Deimos is going to be their basic line-of-battle ship, while escort duties would be handled by the Aeolus. After all, if the new plan was to not have any cruisers, why would they go through all of the trouble of re-tooling a shipyard,  drafting a design, going through the approval process, develop the manufacturing and transport infrastructure, suffer through development and testing of all of the various components, updating all of their recog manuals, etc. etc.?

 

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You forget that the production of the Aeolus ended in 2365 and only 24 exemplars have been produced. Also, remember that many Aeolus were destroyed during the NTF civil war and the second shivan encounter(Camisard, Hellespont, Loyola,Epigoni, Mylae,Liberty...).

Only a few Aeolus survived the wars and they can't replace all the Fenris and Leviathans.

In Steadfast, the production of the Aeolus resumed before the introduction of the Alcyone simply because the Aeolus is a valid cruiser(we mention the defense of the Bastion).

The entry of the Aeolus underestimates it...geez, it has two frontal SGreens!

 
In Steadfast, the production of the Aeolus resumed before the introduction of the Alcyone simply because the Aeolus is a valid cruiser(we mention the defense of the Bastion).

The entry of the Aeolus underestimates it...geez, it has two frontal SGreens!

I wouldn't be surprised if the thing has more forward firepower than a Deimos, myself.

 

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In Steadfast, the production of the Aeolus resumed before the introduction of the Alcyone simply because the Aeolus is a valid cruiser(we mention the defense of the Bastion).

The entry of the Aeolus underestimates it...geez, it has two frontal SGreens!

I wouldn't be surprised if the thing has more forward firepower than a Deimos, myself.

Those two frontal SGreens have the nasty habit of being shot off.
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In Steadfast, the production of the Aeolus resumed before the introduction of the Alcyone simply because the Aeolus is a valid cruiser(we mention the defense of the Bastion).

The entry of the Aeolus underestimates it...geez, it has two frontal SGreens!

I wouldn't be surprised if the thing has more forward firepower than a Deimos, myself.

Those two frontal SGreens have the nasty habit of being shot off.
But the flak guns have a nasty habit of shooting off your wingmates. I wouldn't dare go after an Aeolus without a few wingmen or some trebs or stiletto ii's. I know the flak will likely get the best of me...

The best weapon PERIOD is the swarms of fighters... you could take out a Sathanas with about 50 bombers and a complete fighter escort.

I would have liked to see the GTVA engage other Sathanas with bombers primarily, then jump in a destroyer to damage it badly... not much the Sath can do when disabled and disarmed by 50+ bombers and 50+ fighters.
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Really, though...
How many pilots, fighters, and bombers does the GTVA have?
How many can it warp to a needed location within a few hours?
2000?  Imagine that.  Now imagine the Shivan response.  BOE, but I think it'd still be fun...

 

Offline S-99

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Cruisers are useful strike ships. If it were up to me i'd keep the leviathen, and the aeolus especially. Cruisers as weak as a fenris and aten are worthless, and can't stand up to anything or pump out good firepower.
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Offline Mars

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Really, though...
How many pilots, fighters, and bombers does the GTVA have?
How many can it warp to a needed location within a few hours?
2000?  Imagine that.  Now imagine the Shivan response.  BOE, but I think it'd still be fun...

The GTVA has approximately 6720, assuming 2 destroyers per fleet with 120 fighters each... but you're point still stands.

 

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The GTVA had about 3 weeks to send most of its fleet to Capella; the first Sathanas is spotted on Nov11, destroyed Nov15, and Capella goes supernovae on Nov30. The GTVA definitely had the time to send most of its (even weakened) fleets; at least half of each fleet would make for a damn-big battle with simply Terran ships. The Vasudans have many more ships....

I, for one, know that a single Destroyer worth of fighters and bombers could take out a Sathanas; true the Sath has many more fighters, but the Shivans don't seem to be ready to send out 120+ fighters to counter the Terran and Vasudan strike. They send out only a few wings when their main beams are being destroyed... how can you expect them to have 120+ ships ready in 2 minutes? Besides... jump in about 15 wings of fighters and 15 wings of bombers. The fighters disarm the Sathanas while the bombers disable it. Keep about 5 wings of fighters around the Sath's fighterbay and they can't get any real number of fighters to counter the attack. The best thing they could do is to run... but then you have at least 60 bombs hitting you, 90% of the ones that hit are aimed at various engines. I don't care if the Sath has 350+k HP to its engines; I was able to have the Big C (with much better fighter coverage, mind you!) disabled, disarmed, and without any functioning subsystems in about 10 minutes. First orders were to have all fighters disarm it and all bombers disable it. It happened very quickly (though confusing with so many similar letters of the Greek Alphabet). We had it down to 15% hull in 6 hours. One quarter of the force died in the actual attack, the other three quarters (save Alpha 1) killed themselves by colliding.
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Quite different from the battle between the Sathanas and the Colossus I want to design for "Colossus".

 

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The GTVA had about 3 weeks to send most of its fleet to Capella; the first Sathanas is spotted on Nov11, destroyed Nov15, and Capella goes supernovae on Nov30.
And from what source did you derive this information?

 

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Really, though...
How many pilots, fighters, and bombers does the GTVA have?
How many can it warp to a needed location within a few hours?
2000?  Imagine that.  Now imagine the Shivan response.  BOE, but I think it'd still be fun...

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No, no... you want them organized into wings, waves... like WWII.  Basically the same concept as that.

 

Offline S-99

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Hmmm, yeah, that doesn't seem to be something the gtva is good at doing. Yes they release all the tactical wings of fighters and bombers they need, but they release them all at once, which is not a good idea. Release them in turns, such as fighters first, open a line for the bombers, then unleash bombers. No gtva is all like ok, all tactical wings out at once. Then all of the bombers get dessimated while the fighters were still opening up a line for the bombers. Reminds me of that mission where you have to escort two transports and take out the anvil.
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