[CaptJosh]

Um, I really have no idea what you people are talking about...

[Turey]

Um, I really have no idea what you people are talking about...

Replies 18 & 19 were references to the comedy campaign Just Another Day, made by Axem.

[Bob-san]

It's a classic... just ask for the link.

[S-99]

The lucifers beam cannons being called flux cannons does make sense. And it doesn't mean they were talking about a completely different weapon when saying flux cannon. All gtva beam cannons are based off of the lucifers beams. They probably called the lucifer beams flux cannons because they'd never seen that weapon before and  picked a scientific name for it before the slang term "beam cannon" came into use when all ships were retrofitted with them.

[aldo_14]

The lucifers beam cannons being called flux cannons does make sense. And it doesn't mean they were talking about a completely different weapon when saying flux cannon. All gtva beam cannons are based off of the lucifers beams. They probably called the lucifer beams flux cannons because they'd never seen that weapon before and  picked a scientific name for it before the slang term "beam cannon" came into use when all ships were retrofitted with them.

Um, don't the Vasudans have a non-beam weapon called a 'flux cannon'?......

[NGTM-1R]

IIRC yes, it's their version of the Fusion Mortar. Never used ingame. Even the Hapshepsut has Fusion Mortars. (Which looks damn weird.)

[Cobra]

Why fusion mortars though? They're pretty damn weak.

[Snail]

The lucifers beam cannons being called flux cannons does make sense. And it doesn't mean they were talking about a completely different weapon when saying flux cannon. All gtva beam cannons are based off of the lucifers beams. They probably called the lucifer beams flux cannons because they'd never seen that weapon before and  picked a scientific name for it before the slang term "beam cannon" came into use when all ships were retrofitted with them.

Admiral Khafre referred to the Psamtik's beam weapons as 'photon beam cannons', not flux cannons. But I agree with you on there, I don't think the GTVA created beam cannons themselves.

[aldo_14]

Why not?  They developed lasers before meeting the Shivans......

[Snail]

I just don't think they do. Beams seem like a very 'Shivan' thing, really. Shivan beams are stronger as well, but it could also just be due to their own reverse-engineering. I still think beams are Shivan.

[Charismatic]

Someone smoking space crack? Sence when are people thinking the Shivans are stealing OUR technology?

FFS we stold the Shield from them. And prolly the Collie was a ripoff of a jugernaut, or the lucy. Most say the lucy.

[Cobra]

FFS we stold the Shield from them. And prolly the Collie was a ripoff of a jugernaut, or the lucy. Most say the lucy.

The Lucifer is a superdestroyer, and the Colossus is a juggernaut, about one class up, with much more weaponry (albeit with ****ty arcs, making it a broadside ship), and the GTVA had never before encountered a juggernaut-class ship until the nebular theater.

[EDIT] And the only ship that was supposedly "based" on the Lucifer was the GTD Hades. And, uhhh, who says the Colossus was based off the Lucifer?

[Snail]

The Sathanas is actually slightly smaller than the Colly...

[Sarafan]

Wait, so Vasudan beams are ''photon beam cannons'', Shivan beams are ''flux beam cannons'', so terran ones would use/be a different thing?

Someone smoking space crack? Sence when are people thinking the Shivans are stealing OUR technology?

FFS we stold the Shield from them. And prolly the Collie was a ripoff of a jugernaut, or the lucy. Most say the lucy.

The Collie was made to counter Lucifer class superdestroyers.

[S-99]

The shivan flux beam cannons probably were flux cannons. But, the way that gtva reverse engineered them probably forced them to come up with different methods to create a gtva tech beam cannon. What i mean to say is, from the technology the shivans had, the gtva probably couldn't reproduce it 100% so they made a weapon just like it operating on similar principles, just using different stuff and methods to do it. Probably hence the photon beam cannon naming for the gtva beams. Until slang term beam cannon came around.
Gtva beams are related to the lucifers flux beam cannons, but not 100%, they're probably a technology all of their own now that has similarities with the lucifers flux beams.
It should be safe to say that gtva beams are really a different thing than the lucifers, albeit similar in what they both do, but use methods that would be alien to one another.

On the note of shivans and flak cannons, Perhaps V could have made flak cannons for shivans that at least utilized different sound and visual affects. Like the shivans having a rapid plasma spitting gun that had exploded red plasma in proximity to your ship. You know it'd be the same weapon, but at least the shivan flak variant would have different sound affects, projectiles, and explosion. And then shivan flak would look more natively shivan for the shivans, and then we wouldn't have this question of where'd the shivans get flak from, it's just like ours.

[Arkangel]

This is goin round in circles.

Why can't we all just have our own theories, its very unlikely their gonna make a difference and if you  DO make a campaign related to this topic then you can make a convincing back story.

But for ****s and giggles lets continue...

Isn't the Lucifers beam/flux/OMFGRay a one hit wonder, unlike the continueous beam hits. I do think we got the beam idea from Shivans but we didn't completely reverse engineer it. To us it was unique at the time; just like when we entered subspace, no doubt we thought we were special and no-one had realised the n dimension. But we were oh so wrong...

[Mars]

The Sathanas is actually slightly smaller than the Colly...

The Colossus is 12 times the size of the Lucifer.

[Agent_Koopa]

Does the term "retcon" mean anything to you people? Perhaps thought "flux cannon" a little too technobabbley and officially called the weapons photon beam cannons for FS2. Also, I believe we got a lot of beam cannon technology from the Lucifer. If not, then at least we realized their awesome destructive power, over bombs and blob turrets. At the very least, we had to have observed the emissions from the Lucifer's cannons, flux and bombardment, and Alpha 1 scanned it, didn't he/she/it?

[aldo_14]

Does the term "retcon" mean anything to you people? Perhaps thought "flux cannon" a little too technobabbley and officially called the weapons photon beam cannons for FS2. Also, I believe we got a lot of beam cannon technology from the Lucifer. If not, then at least we realized their awesome destructive power, over bombs and blob turrets. At the very least, we had to have observed the emissions from the Lucifer's cannons, flux and bombardment, and Alpha 1 scanned it, didn't he/she/it?

You can observe the emissions from the sun, it doesn't entail you're anywhere close to nuclear fusion reactors.

[Grizzly]

Does the term "retcon" mean anything to you people? Perhaps thought "flux cannon" a little too technobabbley and officially called the weapons photon beam cannons for FS2. Also, I believe we got a lot of beam cannon technology from the Lucifer. If not, then at least we realized their awesome destructive power, over bombs and blob turrets. At the very least, we had to have observed the emissions from the Lucifer's cannons, flux and bombardment, and Alpha 1 scanned it, didn't he/she/it?

Alpha 1 only made a brief scan.