[achtung]

It's all personal preference.

[Nix]

They've been quite annoying since the start.  Some have made me want to vomit, while others just have made me turn a little green inside. 

What I'm really gonna laugh at though is the whole Cisco Systems vs. Apple over the iPhone name.  I give props to Cisco for defending a product that they've had named and copyrighted.  I hope Cisco wins, forcing Apple to name thier new phone something really stupid like  the "iTalk".  "iSpeak".  "iCom".  (ooh.. look out 3Com) 
 

[Mefustae]

What I'm really gonna laugh at though is the whole Cisco Systems vs. Apple over the iPhone name.  I give props to Cisco for defending a product that they've had named and copyrighted.  I hope Cisco wins, forcing Apple to name thier new phone something really stupid like  the "iTalk".  "iSpeak".  "iCom".  (ooh.. look out 3Com)

They settled that a while ago.

[CP5670]

I only like the really old Macs from the early 90s or so. They used to have superior graphics and audio compared to equivalent DOS machines back then and also had a substantial selection of games. That certainly can't be said anymore though.

1) something about your drivers/hardware compatibility is screwy (This usually doesn't happen unless you build your own computer or modify it yourself) or 2) your an idiot (i.e. installing seven antivirus programs and running them all at the same time)

Actually, it's more likely if you don't build it yourself. Many premade systems from the major OEMs skimp heavily on cooling, which is probably the biggest factor in the random crashes you get on many of those machines.

[Nuke]

i actually find them quite amusing. considering the fact that the difference between macs and pcs theese days is practically nil. the only real thing i have against macs is i cant build one. im more a do it yourselfer and ive probibly built more computers than anyone on this board. from a software perspective ive heard nothiong but praise for osx and its probibly a step up from windows. but thin again sence almost everything is x86, operating systems are really up to personal preferance. use wha you like.

[NGTM-1R]

From my personal experience, when Macs crash they go all the way and you get a screenfull of code, an annoying sound over the speakers, and no control. When a PC crashes, you get a CTD.

Now, which is easier to deal with?

[Fineus]

If this is how some of you react to a company trying to sell its product, then you really need to get high or something. They're commercials, not Consumer Reports articles. Make some peace with the universe, man.

Ahh, but Mac is the only company I can think of that calls me an idiot for not owning their product.

If they took the approach "we have all these fantastic selling point, here they are!" then that'd be fine. But they just have to throw the whole "by the way, you own a PC? you have, do and always will suck untill you buy one of our Macs".

Little wonder then, that I have no patience for them.

[Unknown Target]

...Or their mindless drones that say the same thing to every PC user. I swear, Mac is like a religion - every Mac user I talk to tries to convince me of how awesome their Mac is and how dumb I am for using a PC and how I should convert and yadda-yadda-yadda.

[Turnsky]

god bless ian.

[Rictor]

The truth is that Mac and PC are very nearly identical in most areas; the average user could happily use one or the other without suffering either way. What turns me off, and what actually makes me anti-Mac as opposed to simply indifferent, is exactly what Thunder said: the whole elitist mentality. That, and I find Jobs personally unlikeable, so the thought to putting money in his pocket repulses me.

[Turnsky]

The truth is that Mac and PC are very nearly identical in most areas; the average user could happily use one or the other without suffering either way. What turns me off, and what actually makes me anti-Mac as opposed to simply indifferent, is exactly what Thunder said: the whole elitist mentality. That, and I find Jobs personally unlikeable, so the thought to putting money in his pocket repulses me.

these days, a PC can do just as much as a mac, if not more, sheer versatility, variety, and overall price weighs heavily in favor of the clunky ol' PC, not to mention that one, glorious thing, CHOICE.

a Mac, barring the PC-looking G series (to a degree), have little or no upgrade paths, can be overly expensive, a nightmare to service, and when it comes to upgrade, you have to replace the whole damn thing.
Mac's look good, but in reality, that's about it.

[Rand al Thor]

In my last job I got a serious crash course in Mac usage (excuse the pun) from literally nothing to having to fix font issues and networking setups on the first day. From my point of view it was a fairly horrific time but I got a lot of experience out of it.

What I discovered was that when Macs, in use primarily by graphic designers, architects, etc, run into a problem, its a SERIOUS problem. I swear to God. I know plenty of people who swear by them and I believe that there must be some point to what they're saying because of them are practically geniuses in their field, but despite everything I hear about Macs being more robust, I just can't see it. Maybe it's because the users know even less of what they're doing on a Mac compared to a PC but when they hit a problem nearly 50% of the time the solution was either a repair or complete reinstall of the OS which was generally Panther 10.4 at the time.

I can accept that Windows gradually (or sometimes suddenly) builds up problems and errors but in general it keeps on ticking for some time. Mac OSX just seemed to be a disaster.

Didn't know that about the lack of hardware upgradability. Most I ever had to do on em were memory upgrades or hard drive swap outs. HDs seemed to fail too.

Oh and even though in Ireland, the closest thing I seen to the adds is the spoof one posted earlier, I can say I didn't like it before I realised it was a joke.

[Nuke]

they also completely fail to mention that pcs have a massive bang for your buck factor. i can build the pc equivelant of any mac for less than half the price.

i used macs for graphics design work in highschool. i remember loosing my work every other day because of an error. if macs taught me anything it was to save, save, and save again, and again, and again, and again. thinking back, i also remember they never did come with enough memory. i routinely got not enough memory errors.

[Turnsky]

In my last job I got a serious crash course in Mac usage (excuse the pun) from literally nothing to having to fix font issues and networking setups on the first day. From my point of view it was a fairly horrific time but I got a lot of experience out of it.

What I discovered was that when Macs, in use primarily by graphic designers, architects, etc, run into a problem, its a SERIOUS problem. I swear to God. I know plenty of people who swear by them and I believe that there must be some point to what they're saying because of them are practically geniuses in their field, but despite everything I hear about Macs being more robust, I just can't see it. Maybe it's because the users know even less of what they're doing on a Mac compared to a PC but when they hit a problem nearly 50% of the time the solution was either a repair or complete reinstall of the OS which was generally Panther 10.4 at the time.

I can accept that Windows gradually (or sometimes suddenly) builds up problems and errors but in general it keeps on ticking for some time. Mac OSX just seemed to be a disaster.

Didn't know that about the lack of hardware upgradability. Most I ever had to do on em were memory upgrades or hard drive swap outs. HDs seemed to fail too.

Oh and even though in Ireland, the closest thing I seen to the adds is the spoof one posted earlier, I can say I didn't like it before I realised it was a joke.

if you want robust, my system's it, winxp home, sp2 system, initial install was back in... 2004 i think, it's still running, and i've had no Bsod's or hard reboots from it.  It's served me well for a long time, and until i get entirely new hardware, it'll stay in use for a long time.

[Unknown Target]

god bless ian.

Oh, so this is Matt + Ian's new project?

Lol @ the comic btw

[aldo_14]

Getting obnoxious?

[NGTM-1R]

Getting obnoxious?

The man speaks the truth.

[Turnsky]

god bless ian.

Oh, so this is Matt + Ian's new project?

Lol @ the comic btw

http://www.threepanelsoul.com

pretty much.

[Stealth]

yeah two of Mac's biggest selling points is
a) not as many issues as PCs (more 'robust')
b) not near as many viruses.

well i remember it being proved again and again that the reason there are less viruses for Macs is NOT because they're "more secure" than a PC, but because when someone writes a virus, they generally want to affect 95% of computers in the world... not the 3% share...  an article i read a while back where they did an attack on a mac osx server and windows 2003 server, and everyone who was involved was surprised (and horrified to some extent) just how 'open' the osx server was.  no viruses are not the result of more secure systems.  and as was mentioned by someone in this thread, the more MACs that are sold, the better chance of a good virus coming out for them.  same thing goes with 'robust'.  the more machines you sell, the bigger chance they'll break.

[Turnsky]

yeah two of Mac's biggest selling points is
a) not as many issues as PCs (more 'robust')
b) not near as many viruses.

well i remember it being proved again and again that the reason there are less viruses for Macs is NOT because they're "more secure" than a PC, but because when someone writes a virus, they generally want to affect 95% of computers in the world... not the 3% share...  an article i read a while back where they did an attack on a mac osx server and windows 2003 server, and everyone who was involved was surprised (and horrified to some extent) just how 'open' the osx server was.  no viruses are not the result of more secure systems.  and as was mentioned by someone in this thread, the more MACs that are sold, the better chance of a good virus coming out for them.  same thing goes with 'robust'.  the more machines you sell, the bigger chance they'll break.

"when you build a better computer, they'll build a better idiot"