[Mefustae]

I blame the lack of Porn.

Seriously. It's almost a pre-built requisite among men to at least see as many boobies as possible. God Alone (pardon the pun) knows what sort of phsychological damage these people are doing to themselves. But then I suppose having the willpower to believe the world is 6000 years old and made by a big beard in the sky is easy once you've convinced yourself that the female body is somehow 'sinful' to take pleasure in unless you've pre-paid the church for the 'right' to have sex with them.

Well, you know the answer then: Church-funded pr0n sites!

[Flipside]

NunFun Volume 2!

[Col. Fishguts]

meh, it's less competition for me in the scientific fields.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Once the little dude hits puberty he's probably going to rebel against anything his parents stand for. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes an atheist studying biology.

The more strict you force your kids in one direction, the harder they will try to break free from it once the hormones get flowing.

[Agent_Koopa]

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Once the little dude hits puberty he's probably going to rebel against anything his parents stand for. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes an atheist studying biology.

The more strict you force your kids in one direction, the harder they will try to break free from it once the hormones get flowing.

Or they could, you know, start to act on the principles their parents taught them.

[Tyrian]

I actually watched all four parts of that documentary.  I've wanted to see it, but I could never find it anywhere.  Thanks to Swantz for posting it.

That being said, most of what they put in that video is really quite disturbing.  The minister speaks about how (some) children in the Middle East are taught in school that it is acceptable to kill Americans or that the US is the "Great Satan."  She then goes on to elaborate on how Christianity is a religion of peace.  Yet further on, she states that each of those children is a member of the "Army of God."  There is even a part where she tells them that she would be "Honored if they laid down their lives for God," or some similar statement.  Excuse me, but these are kids!  They aren't soldiers.  Basically, she states that the religious war brainwashing that occurs in the Middle East is evil, yet proceeds to carry out that same policy on these kids.

But the thing is, they're just kids!  They shouldn't be preparing to go to war to defend their beliefs.  They should be running around and playing tag or pretending that their backyard slide is a spaceship to another galaxy.  These kids should be left to form their opinions and beliefs about the world, not have some canned and packaged indoctrination crammed down their throats.

Second, the trick with the water was particularly nasty.  It is really a method by which she can separate the "true believers" from the "hypocrites" in front of everyone.  By having these supposed "hypocrites" confess their "sins" in front of everyone, these kids are damaging their self-image.  The minister then sets herself up as the only person who can "save" them and rebuild their self-image.  The result is the creation of an individual who is even more intensely fanatical than those who follow her willingly. 

In effect, she really is building an "Army of God."

[Sarafan]

But the thing is, they're just kids!  They shouldn't be preparing to go to war to defend their beliefs.  They should be running around and playing tag or pretending that their backyard slide is a spaceship to another galaxy. 

But they are playing tag! Only with tag missiles now. And their ''spaceships'' are fighters, see? Nothing wrong.

[yes, it was a joke]

[achtung]

I actually watched all four parts of that documentary.  I've wanted to see it, but I could never find it anywhere.  Thanks to Swantz for posting it.

There's actually 8 parts, just search "Jesus Camp" in the search bar up top.

Anyway, I don't care if parents teach their kids what they want, because, as kids age they tend to form their own beliefs.

Still, telling them to go die fighting Islam, or anyone the evangelical leaders consider "wrong" is well.... wrong.

[TrashMan]

The minister speaks about how (some) children in the Middle East are taught in school that it is acceptable to kill Americans or that the US is the "Great Satan."  She then goes on to elaborate on how Christianity is a religion of peace.  Yet further on, she states that each of those children is a member of the "Army of God."  There is even a part where she tells them that she would be "Honored if they laid down their lives for God," or some similar statement.  Excuse me, but these are kids!  They aren't soldiers.

Don't take the term "Go's Army" literary. Laying down your life in Lord's name doesn't mena to go off killing unbelivers, but rather to be prepared to BE killed becouse you belive.

[Tyrian]

I recognize that, TrashMan, but we're talking about kids here.  Nine, ten, and eleven years old, being told and believing that they are in God's Army and should die for Him. 

In addition, being a perceived member of an army implies killing is acceptable, which is much what Muslim children in some countries are taught to believe towards Americans.  They are actually preaching for what they stand against.

[WeatherOp]

I recognize that, TrashMan, but we're talking about kids here.  Nine, ten, and eleven years old, being told and believing that they are in God's Army and should die for Him. 

In addition, being a perceived member of an army implies killing is acceptable, which is much what Muslim children in some countries are taught to believe towards Americans.  They are actually preaching for what they stand against.

If those kids think like you are saying, they are pretty dumb for their age.

[Tyrian]

The problem isn't a lack of intelligence; I'm sure those kids are bright.  The problem is that they aren't raised to question what that woman is telling them.  From a very young age, their parents tell them that the Church is always right and not to question them, or else God will punish you.  Even if they did question her, they would be labeled as hypocrites and singled out in front of everyone, in a manner much like that water trick. 

My personal opinion is that that woman is twisting those kids into blind followers, too afraid to question anything.

Heh, post #666 in a thread arguing against evangelicals...

[Kosh]

yeah, you think there way of life and thinking are wrong (which I would agree with), and that the government is obliged to come in and reeducate them and there children.

The real issue with this is the political indoctrination these kids are going through. In addition to a couple of tricks that were already mentioned above, here are a couple more:

One of them was when they brought a cardboard cutout of George W. Bush and wre saying things like "God bless our president" and were also telling these kids to believe in him.

One of things the disturbed me a lot was the whole abortion thing. It was so manipulative, it is evil in it's own right. It was pure indoctrination. He also had them praying for supreme court judges. 9 year old kids praying for supreme court judges?! And then towards the end the same guy had several of these kids standing in front of the Supreme Court building in Washington DC with tape over their mouths that say "Life". If this isn't indoctrination, then Bin Laden is a saint. It is obvious manipulation, and it's wrong.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Once the little dude hits puberty he's probably going to rebel against anything his parents stand for. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes an atheist studying biology

Not always, I once knew a kid in high school who was like this kids, except he was always like this. Oddly enough his name was also "Levi".

One of the things he did I was always remember is during our senior year. We had to do a big "Senior Project" and of course we had classes for this. I remember he was talking with our teacher about this and he said to her "I know I'm going to pass because I'm doing God's work; I know he's on my side". Now here is the best part, after he gave his presentation we eventually found out the results......he failed it miserably and had to give it again. Oh the irony.

[WeatherOp]

yeah, you think there way of life and thinking are wrong (which I would agree with), and that the government is obliged to come in and reeducate them and there children.

The real issue with this is the political indoctrination these kids are going through. In addition to a couple of tricks that were already mentioned above, here are a couple more:

One of them was when they brought a cardboard cutout of George W. Bush and wre saying things like "God bless our president" and were also telling these kids to believe in him.

One of things the disturbed me a lot was the whole abortion thing. It was so manipulative, it is evil in it's own right. It was pure indoctrination. He also had them praying for supreme court judges. 9 year old kids praying for supreme court judges?! And then towards the end the same guy had several of these kids standing in front of the Supreme Court building in Washington DC with tape over their mouths that say "Life". If this isn't indoctrination, then Bin Laden is a saint. It is obvious manipulation, and it's wrong.

Dang there must not be anything to talk about. Come on, getting kids to pray for the ones in office and saying "God bless our president" is political indoctrination? Heck, lets just outlaw the singing of "God Bless America". Soon you guys are gonna be grumbling because kids are taught to thank God for their food before they eat.

Maybe threads like this is why the goverment is not allowed to say what is taught in home.

[Kosh]

Dang there must not be anything to talk about. Come on, getting kids to pray for the ones in office and saying "God bless our president" is political indoctrination?

There was a lot more to it than just saying that. I couldn't remember what else they said, but it reeked of indoctrination. Don't take my word for it, go see the movie yourself.

[Ace]

The kids should be thanking the grocery store, the truckers who brought it there, and the migrant workers who worked on the farms to make their food.

Oh that's right, those migrant workers are mexicans... we couldn't thank those people it'd be un-american!

[Bobboau]

well it's there culture, thats the sort of environment they came from, you can't, or supose I don't think you should, take there children from them, you have to fight them as adults. it's just not a tacktic I'm comfortable with, right now they are saying the same things, saying that atheism is an abuse, that homosexuality is a crime against nature, and they think that if you don't teach your kids this you are hurting them, when they get enough power they are going to try this very thing, I will not become them, but I will fight them with my very life if it comes to it.

[WeatherOp]

Dang there must not be anything to talk about. Come on, getting kids to pray for the ones in office and saying "God bless our president" is political indoctrination?

There was a lot more to it than just saying that. I couldn't remember what else they said, but it reeked of indoctrination. Don't take my word for it, go see the movie yourself.

But see, you didn't say it. If I were to watch the video I would most likely find a good bit I don't agree with. But what you posted is what most people think as, well normal.

[Kosh]

*snip*

These Evangelicals have stated for many years that they want to push their beliefs onto everyone else and get rid of the pesky "seperation of church and state". Just listen to what they are saying; such enlightning things as "this is war". It's about numbers, they have more and they are getting more and more powerful every year.

But what you posted is what most people think as, well normal.

It's not what I meant. I pulled a Bush manuever.

[Bobboau]

"These Evangelicals have stated for many years that they want to push their beliefs onto everyone else"

and that's what you have to fight, takeing there kids from them cause they are raiseing the wrong is not.

[Scooby_Doo]

I live just a few hours away from where Jesus Camp is