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Offline Black Wolf

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
but in the first paragraph you just said that you have a 6 cylinder, whereas my CTS-V (not CST - lol, you confused me with that) has a V8.  the Holden Monaro, or Vauxhall Monaro, or Pontiac GTO as it's known in the US, came with either a 5.7L or 6.0L (depending on the year).  The 5.7L LS6 or the 6.0L LS2.  The cadillac CTS-V, interestingly, has the exact same drivetrain as the Pontiac GTO (Monaro), but the only reason it's slightly faster is due to gearing.  However, it was the 5.7 and 6.0 liter Monaros/GTOs (the CV6 I believe they're called) that could compete with the Cadillac CTS-V, not 6 cylinder versions of them.

i know i rambled on a bit, but i'll sum it up here :p :
The Monaro that could run with the CTS-V was the CV6 version, with the V8s, not any of the other V6 versions, who were ~2 seconds slower in the 0-60.  Since you said your car has a 6 cylinder, i'd assume you're mistaken when you you say your car can run with the CTS-V

The XR8 has the same engine specs as the Monaro - the next step up in the falcon sports line from the XR6 Turbo, which will be what I'm getting. This is just me assuming everyone will know the differences between the two, since it's pretty standard knowledge here in Australia.
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Re: what a REAL car looks like
Regarding collectors and museums, I don't have any problems with stuff on display in museums. It is there so that you can see what was before and how it led to things that are today. Private collectors, generally, do not serve this purpose. Jay Leno seems to be an exception, at least he is also talking about the engineering points in the cars he has acquired. He is also the only car collector I know by name. But I'm not familiar with TV formats or TV personnel in US - nor with the museum system in US. Here, museums are funded by taxes and there are only a handful of private museums.

But thanks for putting on those links.

Some stuff I found to be of interest:
Three wheeled car constructed by 17-year-old guy. Engine was taken from Indian motorcycle. Built from the extra parts. Chain transmission, 200000 miles behind it. Quite an achievement.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/3475911.html?page=1

Mazda with a Wankel motor.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/2629006.html?page=1
Imagine how much work had be done to make this kind of engine possible. Even Leno's restoration team had no experience of these engines.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/2420976.html?page=2
Interesting point. What I know is that there used to be a guy in the service stations who was solely responsible for oiling and greasing. This guy was quite respected man, for he made it sure that your car will be able to do the other 10000 km. For some reason, the car manufacturers have decided to go to the current service system. I have collegue who had trouble with a '85-'90 Mitsu (forgot the year). The car already has a diagnostic computer, only the reading device has to be bought. Unfortunately, the price for the reading system is like 500 €. Basically that thing contains a resistor and a LED. He was able to make his own reader and check out what was the problem, so maybe there is still hope.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/cars/owen_shell.shtml
Huh? I cannot understand if this thing works with gas (as in gaseous form) or with gasoline from the text. Anyways, it has a generator and directs the current to electrical motor located in wheels. Never heard about this thing before. Quite a transmission this thing has.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/cars/toronado_shell.shtml
They put a 1070 hp engine in front wheel drive?! Ah, not so. They changed it to rear wheel drive first. The only question is that doesn't that thing has enough power to bend the whole damn transmission axis like Viper?

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/cars/topolino_shell.shtml
Makes you think how much unnecessary stuff todays cars carry...

Citroen DS, a car which is probably better known around Europe than US.
http://www.citroen.mb.ca/june00/68IDbrochure/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_DS

Advanced thing in its time (manufacturing started from 1955). I have heard stories about that thing, many people thought that the suspension had failed when the car stopped and the suspension lowered down.

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
The XR8 has the same engine specs as the Monaro - the next step up in the falcon sports line from the XR6 Turbo, which will be what I'm getting. This is just me assuming everyone will know the differences between the two, since it's pretty standard knowledge here in Australia.

But the Monaro doesn't have the same engine specs as the Monaro CV8, which has the same engine specs as the CTS-V. 

 

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
The last CV8-Z pumped out 260 kW and 500Nm of torque - exactly what you get out of Falcon's new Barra 260, which they put in the BFII XR8s, except the BF gets its torque lower down in the revs.
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then that's not the car that could run with the CTS-V, because the GTOs here (Monaros elsewhere) (not sure of what model they are, i assumed it was the CV8), have 400 HP.  it's those 400HP cars that run with the CTS-Vs, not the 350HP ones you're referring to
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The last CV8-Z pumped out 260 kW and 500Nm of torque....

what's that in old money ?

On the subject of restorations, did anybody else read about that fella who spent a mint restoring a white E30 M3 only to stash it in a car cacoon (like a big sealed tent) and has openly declared it will never leave ththe cocoon again. Ever.
Will try and find a source but I can't remember where I saw it.

 

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to each his own Roanoke.

also, that's 350HP.  not sure of the torque rating though

 

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
Stealth, are you familiar with that Citroen model that I posted recently?

Mika
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i'm not going to lie: 

no i'm not at all familiar with it :p


 

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proper mota

 

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
Refering to first post: God please dont tell me thats you... also, whats up with the old and UGLY car?

Why do people like that old crap? seriously.. not that newer cars are much better. Meh.
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... yes it is me, you got a problem with me?  why...  because i'm not as unshaven or as big a nerd as you'd like me to be? 

 

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m101/E555KHY/A686FUP/Front.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m101/E555KHY/A686FUP/Off-Side.jpg

proper mota
Good lord, an Opel Manta! I thought our family was the only one to ever own one... and I haven't seen any since until now! Ours was black...

That said, I preferred this ;)


 

Offline Roanoke

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I've a soft spot for the big cat. Has to be the earlier models, with the flying buttress rear end though.

As for Mantas, I've got two of the buggers:



but this one is off the road, restoration and crazy modifications pending.

 

Offline Mika

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
Kalfireth, Mantas are still being used here and are quite common.

Roanoke, you might find these interesting:
http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Fallu&image_id=11210801
(Seems that they have changed the hull to Opel Ascona but kept the outer look...)

Another Manta 1971,
http://www.nettiauto.com/viewVehicle.php?id_car=166833&PN%5B0%5D=cat_link_2&PL%5B0%5D=listCategory.php?id=7
2600 km, 20000 €. Straight 6 engine, 350 hp. Personally I think they have wasted a perfectly good car.
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Re: what a REAL car looks like
Kalfireth, Mantas are still being used here and are quite common.

Roanoke, you might find these interesting:
http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Fallu&image_id=11210801
(Seems that they have changed the hull to Opel Ascona but kept the outer look...)


I don't understand. looks like a normal manta with some stripes to me  :)

Kalfireth, Mantas are still being used here and are quite common.

Another Manta 1971,
http://www.nettiauto.com/viewVehicle.php?id_car=166833&PN%5B0%5D=cat_link_2&PL%5B0%5D=listCategory.php?id=7
2600 km, 20000 €. Straight 6 engine, 350 hp. Personally I think they have wasted a perfectly good car.


I've seen this one before. Very nice but that 6 cylinder engine puts an awful lot of weight ahead of the front wheels.

 

Offline Mika

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
It is not a Manta at all. Only the outer panels are taken from a Manta. Inside, it's all Opel Ascona 2.0 and its technique.
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Offline Roanoke

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They're the same anyway. Ascona/Cavalier/Manta all the parts are interchangeable. People like to put the Ascona front on a Manta and call it a "Mancona"  :D

 
 

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Re: what a REAL car looks like
IROC-Z, nice :)
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