[Turey]

I was wondering when we'd get an explanation.

Kind of a shock to hit refresh and see the index page move around. 

I like the layout, but it might be better with FreeSpace above Community Projects... I'm not sure. 

[Flipside]

It's sort of a question of which is HLP's 'focus', is it the SCP or is it Freespace/Modding, the two sort of go hand in hand, certainly, what brings people here is the SCP, what keeps people here is the modding, so it's kinda hard for me to say which I think should be first.

[vyper]

If you think I'm still here because of a game that's this old, you're nuts. I'm still here for the community aspect and I'll bet money quite a few others are too.

[Polpolion]

I forget why I'm still here.



Which is why I like the old way better.

[Taristin]

If you think I'm still here because of a game that's this old, you're nuts. I'm still here for the community aspect and I'll bet money quite a few others are too.

The community didnt go anywhere. IT's only got a door in the back, now, rather than on the street.

[BlackDove]

Wow, finally.

[CP5670]

It's good to see some changes with this, even if they did come six months after they were suggested. However, the Freespace forums would make more sense coming before the community projects. I'm actually not sure why they are even in separate sections. The support board can also be pushed to the bottom, as it's not all that active.

If you think I'm still here because of a game that's this old, you're nuts. I'm still here for the community aspect and I'll bet money quite a few others are too.

There are also many that aren't. I come here mainly for the Freespace content, and gaming discussion in general to a lesser extent. There are better communities out there if you only want to chat about random stuff.

[Flipside]

The question is, was it at the top of the Forums because it was the lifeblood, or was it the lifeblood because it was at the top?

I suppose we'll find out

[Mr. Vega]

Ugh. Like it or not, the Hard Light subforum has always been what's kept people here in the long term. I'm sure it feels good to put the main projects on top, but from a functional standoint it's just idiotic.

And no CP, we're pretty much a shining beacon of intelligence and civility in comparison to the rest of the internet when it comes to random discussion. Not as compelling right now as when we had Stryke and Tiara around, but still, vyper is absolutely correct.

[CP5670]

You haven't looked around hard enough. He is quite correct, but if the main purposes of HLP are as Goober stated, one might also ask how much of a difference it would make if the HL section was less active.

I do see what you're saying about the hosted project forums, as only a handful of them are updated regularly, but there is little question about having the Freespace stuff above HL in my opinion.

[Nuclear1]

It's an absolute testament to HLP intelligence when Hard Light is now under Stupid Stuff.

[Mr. Vega]

but if the main purposes of HLP are as Goober stated

Which is exactly what I disagree with. It'd be great and all if we could get BWO and MT finished so we could actually have something Freespacey to talk about (The SCP can't keep it up forever), but we've been a community first site for years, and that's the strategy that will keep us going as long as possible.

And secondly, flaming used to fun and entertaining, now it's like "oh god no an arguement!" It's not the increased quantity of flaming that's the problem, it's the declining quality. We just need to start working at it again, that's all.

[Bob-san]

I think that it should be restored to how it was... I'm here because this forum is boring without the lively gaming chat and random hardlight forum. Its not stupid stuff... we debate there and it keeps us entertained. All work and no play is much worse then all play and no work. We still have all those projects going on, though not everyone works on those aspects of the game. I myself spend of time online talking to Mobius (FRED stuff) on MSN and post in Hard Light.

The main purposes of HLP is to be a community that has talented coders, 3d artists, and storymakers. All are artists, though just doing your art is not very fun. I myself am a storymaker; I don't post in the FRED section because of my own campaign; we make progress every day we're both on MSN.

Anyways... can you just restore it please? It may be of flaming and arguing, though thats what its there for. There are some discussions that are interesting and lively.

Community is front and centre in HLP; you're moving it rear and off-stage. Bad move.

[Flipside]

It's not actually there for flaming and arguing, it's there for general discussion, that could be anything from talking about our lives to projects in real life etc, not just for finding reasons to yell at each other.

Nothing has gone anywhere, the Discussion forum still exists as 'Off Topic', considering this is a site that was formed around Freespace 2 and the modding of it, that is what it is.

As Taris said, you haven't lost your chance to flame and argue, it's merely been moved somewhere less prominent so it's not the first thing people see when they come here.

[Bob-san]

How about this... return Hard Light out of here and once flaming starts in a topic, move it to a flaming section? Community should be front-and-center. I don't hate anyone on this forum who disagrees with me. At least put off-topic back toward the front. I would expect this site to be dead within 1 month if it was only about modding FS2. Community makes longevity, modding doesn't. At least our sister-station is still running (last I heard).

[Rictor]

I forget why I'm still here.

Can I agree with you but still take your money?

Thank God the General Discussion is still here. I thought for a moment that you guys had finally lost it and decided to torch the place. I don't mind the new layout, as long as everything that supposed to be there is still there. Which, oddly enough, is the same view I take towards plastic surgery.

[Mr. Vega]

See? It's comments like that that make this place go.

[Flipside]

Those comments won't stop, nor will HLP GenDis, but this place really ought to work in order of priority, Freespace 2 and the SCP first, yelling and throwing bananas at each other, second

[Nuclear1]

Those comments won't stop, nor will HLP GenDis, but this place really ought to work in order of priority, Freespace 2 and the SCP first, yelling and throwing bananas at each other, second

Yep, that's going into the sig.

[Mr. Vega]

Gah. Your priorities are messed up. You think people would rather come to discuss an error in Fred2Open for two hours (which is what we're reduced to unless those bloody campaigns get finished), or throw banana pies at each other? That's what I thought.